CRAVEN of Newport/Goole/Hull/Wakefield (Mariner) - Lookups Please

[bendywendy]

Hello

I am helping someone who now lives in Australia and is related directly to this family.

I am requiring information on the following please, re Census, Baptism's, Marriages, Deaths etc:-

John Craven born Newport/Wallingfen c 1828. On 1881 census Plymouth, Devon. On ship "Albina" as Master Mariner
with "other" George Tom Craven c 1860 as Mate, born Goole.


George Tom Craven  settled his family at Rawcliffe/Goole. He married Caroline Isabella Mowsar @ Rotherhithe, St Olaves, London 1882. Caroline was born in Holborn, London.

Children found so far:-
George Tom              Rotherhithe 1883
Caroline Isabella      Mar Q 1887   Goole
Elizabeth Ellen          Mar Q 1889     ""
Emanuel Broadbent  Jun Q 1891 ""
possibly about 10 children in total.

Wonder who the parents are for this one:-
John William Craven  Dec Q 1868 Goole 9c

I know from marriage details of George Tom Craven that his father is named John Craven a Master Mariner.
This Craven family were ship owners and Master Mariners, any information on them would be greatly appreciated.

Any census information would be very useful for Goole/Newport/Wakefield areas for any Craven, I think there is a link to James Craven the Boat Builder at Wakefield.

I have found a family burial in Eastrington for a John Craven 1790 of Wallingfen and his daughter Elizabeth Craven 1823 Spinster late of Swanland. Also buried in same 3 other children who died in infancy, no names.
Another burial of Hannah Craven of Newport aged 34 1849 husband Benjamin Burn 1842 (Bellasize) and dau Susanah Craven 1829 aged 34. Also 6 other children died in infancy, no names.

I think these two  families must have a connection to the John Craven above ?

There is some family photos and a painting of one of their ships "Grovehill" at Goole Library. According to the Archivist the documents were donated recently by the Craven family of Hull having a connection with the Craven family of Goole. See 2nd page for links to view the pictures.

Regards
Bendywendy

Links to other Rootschat boards in relation to this

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=485529.msg3459237#msg3459237
   Ship "Elizabeth" sunk 15th Nov 1894 Folkestone    also the burial details for John Craven

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=424369.msg2893296#msg2893296
  Caroline Isabella Mowsar   Rotherhithe

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=425176.msg2901457#msg2901457
  George & Sophia Stead  W. Yorks.

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More information of the Grovehill 91397 can be read on Ships Nostalgia website, through my thread, this includes where she was built, size and links to the National Archives, Kew where her shipping records are held and Newfoundland where her Crew Records are kept.

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?p=434295#post434295

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-5830942&CATLN=7&Highlight=,GROVEHILL&accessmethod=0

http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/searchcombinedcrews.php

There is also information held of Grovehill 91397 at Hull History Centre when she was owned by JW Hellyer and used as a fishing trawler before being sold to John W Craven and re-rigged as a ketch/schooner.

http://lib3.adir.hull.ac.uk/dserve/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Overview.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=((text)='%2091397')&dsqPos=0&dsqNum=10&PF=No
3 pages available


I have now located some local shipping info that should contain details of Craven, this info is held at The Treasure House, Beverley.

Someone has spent many hours trawling through these records and so far has not found anything relating to Craven, more reading required 

2 lots of Documents held, listed below.
   
FindingNo   
DDX249

Title   
HULL AND GOOLE SHIPPING RECORDS

Date   
1864-1909

Description   
Includes official log books, accounts of voyages, crew lists and agreements for vessels registered at Hull and Goole 1864-1909.

   
FindingNo   
DDX249/1-49

Title   
Documents presented 7 Jun 1972

Date   
1898-1909

[bendywendy]

I have some further information to add that has been found:-

Crew and Others on board  of the Ship or Vessel called the SECRET the night of Sunday April 7th 1861 @ Hunslet.

John Craven  married age 34  Master  born Newport, Yorks.
Martha Craven married  age 29  Master's Wife  born  Wakefield
John Broadbent Craven "Boy" age 10 born Wakefield   Could he be a son??
John William Craven son age 6 born Wakefield........... FreeBMD  Dec Q 1854 Wakefield
Martha Craven dau age 4 born Wakefield
George Thomas Craven son age 1 born Wakefield states on 1881 census born Goole, Yorks??

Vessel                           SECRET
Port of Belonging           Goole
Tonnage                        42 Tons Register
Description and Trade   Sloop  Coasting Trader
Name of Master             John Craven

It could be that the immediate family of John Craven lived on board the ships.

Can anyone pick them up on the following census's please???
 The family was not on board  ALBINA on 1881 census, see previous posting for info.

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Emmanuel Broadbent Craven born 1891 Goole  joined the Royal Navy and his Naval Records
are held at the National Archives.   See Page 2 for details.

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Could this be the marriage of:-
John Craven and Martha Broadbent    Sep Q 1850  Wakefield Dist   22  635   ?

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I think this could be John Craven's wife and some children on 1881 cen:-

Martha  Craven    Head   57   born Wakefield    Wife of Captain on Sailing Vessel
Sarah A Craven     dau    16   born   Goole         
Emmanuel Craven  son    10   born   Goole       Scholar   

Southeron Street, HOOK, York  (next to Goole)
RG11  4702/127   12

Sarah A above could be:-
IGI
Sarah Ann Day Craven bap 4 Jun 1865 Goole
Father John Craven  Mother  Martha

Emmanuel D Craven born Goole 1871 fits with one above but no parents details
Emmanuel Broadbent Craven born Jun Q Goole 1891

Martha has an age problem, 29 on 1861 cen c 1832, now 57 on 1881 cen c1824

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[Bee]

Hi
1891 RG12/755 folio 85
onboard the vessel 'Ariel' off Dungeness, Kent
John Craven/married/63/master/Yorkshire Newport

Bee
 

[bendywendy]

Thanks Bee, he certainly got around and another vessel, they did own some but just how many is not known at present.

Struggling to find a birth/baptism for him and wife Martha???

Bendywendy

[Bee]

Is this one of yours?
1891 RG12/3873 folio 44 page 8   Hook, Yorkshire
George Craven/boarder/single/34/blacksmith's striker/Yorkshire Wakefield

[Bee]

If the marriage that you've found for John Craven & Martha Broadbent is the right one, then the IGI has a possible christening

Martha Broadbent christened 5th July 1832, Wakefield, parents John & Elizabeth Broadbent.

Another from the IGI
Sarah Ann Day Craven christened 4th June 1865, Goole, parents John & Martha Craven

and a birth from freebmd

Emanuel Deyes Craven, Q4 1871, Goole 9c 628

Bee
 

[bendywendy]

Hi Bee
Thanks again, time will tell who is who and if they are all from same family.

Strange how they used same names for sons over and over !!!!

I can only find the one marriage for a John C and Martha B, so it might well be correct.

Dorothy in Oz has a lot of sorting to do with this lot.

I think this could be another child of JC & MB:-

Mary Helen Craven   15  Born Goole   Domestic Servant to a Postmistress
East Parade 4, Goole   RG11   4701/94   3

Bendywendy

[Bee]

and the last one before I go to bed.

1901 RG13/4424 folio74 page 41
32 Spencer Street, Goole

Martha Craven/head/widow/72/living on own means/Yorkshire Wakefield

[bendywendy]

Hi Bee

Thanks very much.

Spencer Street, part of Poets Corner behind old Timm's Flour Mills..

me off to bed too now, goodnight.

Bendywendy