John and Philip Fogarty Family

[schooly]

Can anyone help in finding Philip Fogarty who died in St Helens Lancashire in 1891 aged 53.

He was born in Thomastown or thereabouts probably in late 1830's. Could also have been around Inistiogue

Philip's father was John Fogarty who is is described as a farmer on Philip's marriage certificate.

This has been a long and so far at least, a frustrating search. Any help welcome

[Jab75]

Hi Schooly,

I don't know if you're still researching the Fogarty family in Kilkenny but I have some information that might be of interest. Unfortunately I'm going to work in the next few minutes, so I'll only be able to do this later on tonight.

Best Wishes, John.

[Jab75]

Hi Schooly/Jim

I borrowed an old photo album from my Mum which was mostly old photos of county Westmeath. However there was a newspaper cutting behind on of the photos there was an account of my Grandad (Phil) leading some kind of delegation to county Kilkenny. He gave an interview to an Irish paper in which he said that his "Paternal Grandparents came from Tullaroan." Tullaroan is about 5 - 10 miles west of Kilkenny city. I had a check on Ancestry and I found a John Fogarty in the area at the right time who could be Philip's father. John was from a place called Rathmacan, about a mile west of Tullaroan and although he did have at least four children, none of then were called Philip. However the eldest child I can find for him was baptised in county Tipperary in 1839 so possibly Philip's baptism record is in Tipperary as Rathmacan is on the Kilkenny/Tipperary border. The mothers name was Catherine Sheehan.

Hope this helps.
Best Wishes, John.

[hallmark]

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1033  Tullaroan and neighbouring Parishes on Map

[hallmark]

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1033  Tullaroan and neighbouring Parishes on Map

That is IF they were R.C. !

[hallmark]

A quick GOOGLE  OF  "FOGARTY  RATHMACAN"  gets a pile of stuff

e.g.  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nvf/  gets the gravestone inscriptions for these...

[hallmark]

I hope someone has corrected the typo's by now......   

[Jab75]

Hi Hallmark,

Thanks for replying, that's some very interesting info.

Back to my original post where I mentioned that his grandparents came from Tullaroan, this John Fogarty is one of two I found in the area. The other John Fogarty did have a son called Philip (b.1832, 5 years too early) but the whole of this family emigrated to the USA. I'm not suggesting that either man is related to Schooly and myself, but what I found in the newspaper cutting makes it a good chance he may be.

John Fogarty and Catherine Sheehan as I mentioned had at least 4 children and they were:

Mary, bapt. 23/12/1839 in Ballingarry - residence was "vil" but the page was torn. I think this could have meant village.

Judith, bapt 23/2/1845 in Tullaroan.

James, bapt. 24/4/1847 in Tullaroan.

Ellen, bapt. 18/9/1852 also in Tullaroan and the residence like Judith and James was Rathmacan.


I can't find anything for a Philip Fogarty born in 1837-1838 and I can't find a marriage record for John Fogarty and Catherine Sheehan.

Thanks again for your help.
Best Wishes, John.

P.S Don't worry about those typos. If Schooly is my Mum's cousin Jim, he was an English teacher, he'll be all over them 

[Kiltaglassan]

  ......."Paternal Grandparents came from Tullaroan." Tullaroan is about 5 - 10 miles west of Kilkenny city....
 
......from a place called Rathmacan, about a mile west of Tullaroan....

Tullaroan is both a Civil Parish and a townland in Co Kilkenny.
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/tullaroan2/

Rathmacan is a townland in Tullaroan Civil Parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/crannagh/tullaroan/ballybeagh/rathmacan/

KG