Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish

[omega 1]

Hi

Pleased i have helped.

Not a common name in Sussex,earliest was 1641 & Shipley 1667.

Omega 

[OneBigFamily]

It might be jumping the gun a abit, since we still havent got total clarification that McClure's wife was the same Jane Kensett that we have been discussing in this thread, but....

I am intrigued now (or more so)...

So to determine the parentage of the Philip Kensett, husband of Jane Rhodes, and father of the Jane Kensett suspected wife of McClure, I just thought I'd add my notes below:

Marriage on Sussex Marriage Index (supplied by 'Omega' on the wonderful site  Rootschat)
25th Sept 1832 at Shipley
Jane Rhodes, SP to Philip Kensett, Bach, BOTP
Witnesses, Elizabeth Ann Burtinshaw & James Botting.

Reading below, the witness above - James Botting, was bro in law to Philip Kensett but the Philip married a Jane so James Botting would have been married to a sister of Philip then, who would have been Elizabeth Kensett as she was called Elizabeth Botting in the will.

The Elizabeth Kensett was most probably the daughter of a Philip and Ann Kensett (seems to be only possible baptism in Shipley, Sussex on 14 June 1762 - IGI extracted record).  (The marriage of Elizabeth K to James Botting took place on 11 JUL 1786 Shipley, Sussex, England - IGI submitted record).


Meaning the Philip below (who married Jane Rhodes) is likely to be brother of Elizabeth [Kensett] Botting and would be the Philip Kensett found alive and kicking in 1841 or 1851 with wife Jane.  (Another Philip Kensett married a Martha Mildred  -I dont have the date - but he died in 1839 and was of Jolesfield Common and he's from my very extended tree).

So this goes with:

West Sussex Record Office
  Orlebar Collection
  The hierarchical structure of this catalogue is shown below. See the entire contents of the catalogue
Reference SAS-OR
Covering dates 1320-1922
Held by West Sussex Record Office
Extent 10 series
Conditions of access Records are open for consultation
 COWFOLD  [no ref. or date]
 Little Brook  [no ref. or date]
  Copy of Will of James Botting of Cowfold, carpenter  SAS-OR/159  19 Mar 1810
These documents are held at West Sussex Record Office
Contents:
Devise and bequest to brothers-in-law Philip Kensett of Shipley, farmer, and James Turner of Nuthurst, farmer, of all real and personal estate and effects Upon Trust to permit wife Elizabeth [Botting] to receive the rents and profits for life, if she remained a widow. On her decease or marriage the Trustees to sell and divide the proceeds amongst testator's sons, James and Richard and daughter Elizabeth. Executors: the said Philip Kensett and James Turner
And an attested Copy of the same Will

Proving Philip (the elderly one)'s parents were most probably Philip and ANN Kensett.

[OneBigFamily]

Then again, I could be wrong....

I just found another marriage of a Philip Kensett to a Jane.

The Philip who was bro in law to James Botting at the time James Botting made his will (1810) is more likely to be the Philip Kensett who married Jane Turner...

Philip Kensett, marriage to Jane Turner - 09 SEP 1804   Billingshurst, Sussex, England (IGI extracted record).

I thought I was stretching the years a bit...

Whether they were one and the same Philip Kensett though, I wouldn't be able to tell as yet, and thinking about it the James Bottings were probably not the same... not if James made his will in 1810.

[OneBigFamily]

Not there yet, but thinking now...

The couple Philip Kensett and Jane Turner had a son baptised in 1806 in Billingshurst called Philip.  This son Philip appears to be still alive in 1841 and married to Sarah (?Merritt).

A Philip Kensett is baptised as son of a Philip and Jane in 1833 in Shipley, so he could not be the son of Philip Kensett who married Jane Turner because his son Philip was alive at that time.

(added after... and of course the Philip who married Jane Rhodes in 1832 was a bachelor... duh )

[OneBigFamily]

There was Philip Kensett who married Mildred (found her surname - Mildred Woolven - marriage date 10 April 1789 in West Grinstead).
There was only one baptism for this couple; a son Richard in 1792.
What happened to Mildred?  No burial record found for her (in WG).

If Mildred had died young, could the Philip who married Mildred (who was described as sojourner from Henfield) have then gone on to marry Jane Turner?

(Mildred's Philip was son of William and Mary Kensett according to the historian Emily Kensett):
From The Story of the Free Christian Church Horsham by Emily Kensett, on page 86 it says "The first of my own direct anscestors who joined the church is entered on the roll book of membership as "William Kenny, att West Grinsted, June 7th, 1788"; a little further down the page his brother "Philip Kenny [sic], att West Grinsted, 1794" is also entered.  In 1805 the name has grown familiar to the keeper of the register and Mildred, wife of Phillip Kensett, of West Grinsted, is correctly recorded".

[Solway]

Thanks Omega & One Big Family for all your time and information which I will now try to wend my way through.  You will have gathered by now that I am relatively new to much of this!
One query I have at the moment: what is the abbreviation BOTP?  I am familiar with SP & Bach but not the other.
Your tremendous input is very much appreciated.  Thanks again.

[OneBigFamily]

BOTP means both of this parish, i.e., both parties who married were residing in the parish in the weeks before the marriage, if not longer.

[Solway]

Ahhhh.... thank you!

[OneBigFamily]

But I'm now stumped for Philips.

Cannot work out who were the parents for Philip who married Jane Rhodes.

Another certificate needed, one day perhaps. 

Added later - perhaps not - forgot this marriage was pre 1837!

Unless any others have any ideas?