Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.

[coombs]

I think I need to find an address for Robinsons Run Cemetery and ask if they could look up their burial registers.

Thomas arrived in America in September 1886 and his daughter Margaret married in September 1889 in Carnegie, Pittsburgh. I am assuming that when Thomas first arrived in the States that he lived in the Pittsburgh area before later moving in with his daughter Elizabeth in the North Fayette area.

[johnnyboy]

Hi Ben: I was wondering what happened with your search for Thomas Musgrave. I haven't been on Rootschat for a while, but today I thought I'd have a look and there was this new thread.

I located the telephone number for Robinson Run Cemetery and made a quick call. No answer, no voice mail. But I did send a message to a person who has done photos at Robinson Run--to see if she knows anything about office hours.

I also saw the interment listings for Robinson Run Cemetery on the Allegheny County Genweb page that you seem to have seen. Are you certain that this is your Elizabeth Sutherland. I know the dob is correct and the husband is Robert. (And is there a son James also buried there?) But where does your certainty come from.

You'll remember that I lived in Washington County, and I only ask because the city of Washington (where Elizabeth Sutherland was living late in life with her daughter) is not far away from North Fayette Township, Allegheny County, where they used to live. But there are dozens of cemeteries in between those two places.

Have you traced the son James Sutherland (1888-1952) in the 1920 and 1930 censuses? Given his birth date of 1888, there should be a copy of his registration for the World War II draft on Ancestry or FamilySearch Pilot.  These records should help you find information that might lead you to descendants (who might be alive). Added: Just checked the WWII draft registrations on FamilySearch Pilot. No James Sutherland from Washington County or Allegheny County. But he still might be on Ancestry versions of the same records.

There also might be descendants of Mary Saix hiding somewhere.

As for Allegheny County and death records: The county website indicates that July 1874-1903 death records for Allegheny County (excluding the city of Pittsburgh and some municipalities that aren't relevant to your search) are now at the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh. The records from 1906 forward are with the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, that leaves a gap of two years with no records (1904-1905). But at least you can scratch Allegheny County offices from your search list.

I'll let you know if I hear anything back about Robinson Run Cemetery.

Regards,
John 

[coombs]

Hi Johnny

In 1910 Elizabeth was living with her married daughter Mary Saix and an obituary on that very website says that she died at the home of her daughter Mary Saix in August 1911. I am certain she is the right one. Also their son is buried there, James born 1888.

Ben

[johnnyboy]

Hi Ben: Let me go read the obit...

John 

[coombs]

Hi Johnny

Yes I established that she was the right Elizabeth pretty much when I first found out about her. I found out about her when I found out that my 3xgreat grandfather had emigrated and was living with her in 1900. The 1900 US census gives month and year of birth and that helped me establish I had the right people beyond doubt.

Ben

[*Sandra*]

Hello Ben,

John mentioned the WW2 draft for James Sutherland, I am not sure if you have it but these are the details if you have'nt:

Name: James Sutherland
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1888
Birth Place: Allegheny Looks like McBonald  ??
Residence: Ohio, West Virginia
Wife:- Mary Sutherland.
Employers Name:- Robert Littlehales. Elm Grove. ......
Place of Employment:- No 3 Mine. Triopdelphia. Ohio

[coombs]

Hi Dettori

Thanks for that. The birthplace of James Sutherland might help me narrow down where in PA Thomas Musgrave settled once he arrived there in 1886. His youngest daughter born in 1st March 1871 in Durham, England married in September 1889 in Carnegie, Allegheny to Thomas Prosser. She went with her father when he emigrated as all his other children were married by then and she was only 15.

He was with his daughter Elizabeth in 1900 but I do not know if he went to live with her when he first arrived in America.

Ben

[johnnyboy]

Hi Ben: I found the obits of Elizabeth Sutherland and Robert Sutherland.

Elizabeth's obit mentions her place of death as the East End. That is part of the city of Washington, I believe.

You also have four families to search for in the U.S. censuses: sons James Sutherland and Thomas Wilson and daughters Mrs. Joseph THOMAS (her first name?), and Mrs. John SAIX (Mary).

The town of Bulger, where Thomas Wilson or both Thomas and James Sutherland were living in 1911, when Elizabeth died, is north of the city of Washington and several miles west of North Fayette Township, Allegheny County, where the Sutherlands and Thomas Musgrave formerly lived.

According to Robert's obit, they lived in McDonald in North Fayette Township.
My topographical atlas of Pennsylvania shows McDonald straddling the border of Washington County and Allegheny County, with most of it in Washington County. Robinson Run Cemetery is a mile or so east of McDonald.

Robert Sutherland was a member of the Knights of Pythias, a fraternal organization.

More may come later.

John  

My bet would be that Thomas Musgrave is buried in Robinson Run.

[johnnyboy]

I found this on a website about McDonald, Pa. This is the marriage of Mary Ellen Wilson, Elizabeth's daughter