No Death Registration 1850 - COMPLETED MANY THANKS TO ALL

[LizzieW]

Hi

I'm looking for the death registration of my 3 x g.grandfather John Brand.  He was born about 1784/5 - IGI has his name as John Brands on his marriage, as does FreeREG.  There is a probable burial on the new Familysearch pilot site and also on FreeREG of a John Brand, date 29 March 1850 at Sleaford.  FreeREG gives the burial place as St Denys, Sleaford.  I assume this is the correct John but my problem is I can't find a reference to order the certificate.  The only one showing up is for a Joseph Brand at Sleaford, June quarter 1850.

What is the consensus on this being the correct death cert?  For all I know he was called Jo and when he died, whoever registered his death thought his name was Joseph.  I think my 3 x g.gran died in 1842 but I've not got the cert to prove it yet.

Lizzie

[Sloe Gin]

It sounds entirely possible, if there's a connection with the area.  Have you considered asking the local register office?  I've not had any dealings with that one myself, but it might be worth a try.  They can often be very helpful.  They will have the original document - Joseph for John may even have been a mistranscription when the copy was sent to GRO.

[LizzieW]

I would ask Lincs CC, but this is what they have previously told me they need to find a certificate

Full name of the deceased - doesn't help if it was registered in the wrong name

Date of death (or at least the year) I could guess at the year

Place of death (the burial could have occurred somewhere completely different to where the death occurred) - I only have place of burial.

The above information is essential information that we ask for.  Other helpful information would be:

Occupation (if retired, the occupation before that) if known Now that I do know, he was a chairmaker!

Last known address, if known. All I can give them is where he was on the 1841 census

[Geoff-E]

The burial on 26 June 1850 Welbourn, Joseph BRAND (73) was the Q2 1850 registration

How about this one?
Deaths Mar 1850 
BRANCH    John         Sleaford    14   375

[Sloe Gin]

Lizzie, is that from a standard form on a website or leaflet?  Only a lot of those are geared to requests for relatively current events, rather than historical certificates.  I've had success before by writing a letter outlining any details I know (even including childrens' names as possible informants, for instance), and sending it off with a cheque.

[Redroger]

Strange this Lizzie, I have never had any trouble with Lincolnshire. Is there any known connection to the cabinet makers we share?

[Valda]

Hi

Geoff's suggestion of John Branch does look a possibility - there doesn't seem to be a burial to go with the surname Branch whereas there is for Joseph Brand aged 73 in Welbourn. He is a farmer on the 1841 census in Welbourn.
This could be a mistake in the GRO indexes by the original clerk (the actual typed entry in the GRO register is Branch - typed up at a later date by a typist when the old handwritten volumes fell apart, but with no checking done and the old register thrown out) or a mistake by the Lincolnshire registrar in the first place, or by the person who registered the death who may only have been present at the death, doing a nursing job but not knowing the family well, or it was a death registered by an institution such as a workhouse.


Regards

Valda

[Glen in Tinsel Kni]

i have never had a problem with being unable to give all the details exactly as requested to Lincs Reg services and i have ordered about 90 certs from them over the last four years.

If i'm unsure about anything then i usually ask them to note the details as "possibly" and let them use their discretion

[LizzieW]

As usual Geoff I think you've come up trumps.  Thank you. The burial I found on Familysearch pilot site and FreeREG was on 29 March 1850 at Sleaford.  FreeREG gives the burial place as St Denys, Sleaford, so I would have expected his death to be registered in the March quarter 1850, but because I couldn't find the death on FreeBMD, or FindMyPast or Ancestry, I thought perhaps it had been registered the following quarter under the name of Joseph.  I'll order the John Branch certificate from GRO when I get back from holiday. (I can give the name Brand or Branch which usually works when I have the correct ref.no).

The info I quoted was from an e-mail I received from Customer Service Centre,
Lincolnshire County Council in response to one I sent to them asking if they would be able to look for a death registration if I didn't have full details.

Roger - No, no connection to the other cabinet makers (my brain is going which Stanton was the cabinet maker?).  John Brand was the great grandfather of  my maternal grandfather, the Stantons are my paternal ancestors.

Lizzie