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bernhard wilhelm martin emil WIENER
« on: Friday 25 June 10 18:34 BST (UK) »
 Hi
Im hoping someone can help solve a mystery - Im trying to trace Bernhard Wilhelm Martin Emil WIENER born in 1879  but i dont know where ? He married in 1905 in Newcastle upon Tyne to Marie karoline  LINNAKUGAL.
Their parents are stated on their marriage cert as Rudolf Theodor Theophial WIENER   deceased (furniture manufacturer)  and  Fritz LINNAKUGAL (farmer) By 1909 they had a child who they name Alfried Heindrich and a short time after that they ( for whatever reason ) left the uk  leaving behind their child . As far as we know they never returned but the story goes that a guardian attempted to adopt the child but was unable to as the parents we still alive ??
Any information would be appreciated
ps witnesses to marriage were L A Donnellan and Ane Nielson
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Re: bernhard wilhelm martin emil WIENER
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 June 10 19:20 BST (UK) »
Hello and welcome to rootschat.
What is Bernhard's occupation on his marriage certificate?
Have you found any of them in 1911 census?

I wonder if this is the witness:

1901 RG13; Piece: 4772; Folio: 98; Page: 24
Leon Archibald Domelan 16 yrs Apprentice Mechanical Engineer
(reads as Lionel Donnellan )
living with his family -father is a Naval Officer

not much help, I know

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Re: bernhard wilhelm martin emil WIENER
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 June 10 11:55 BST (UK) »
Good morning Heywood
His occupation was down as being an electrical engineer but as of yet i havent been on the 1911 cencus that will have to be my next thing to do
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Re: bernhard wilhelm martin emil WIENER
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 June 10 12:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Heywood
Ive just had a look at the 1901 census for Leon Domelan and i think you are probably right  as the occupation s  and area that they are living in etc all seem to match up - if only i could find out where Bernhard came from and where he went to  !!
Thank you again
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Re: bernhard wilhelm martin emil WIENER
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 June 10 13:46 BST (UK) »
I don't have full access to Anc. but it shows a Rudolf Wiener as an incoming passenger to Southampton.
You would need someone with full access to check it out.

I can't see anything about Linnakugal anywhere but there are one or two references to the name Linnenkugel on the web. :-\
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Re: bernhard wilhelm martin emil WIENER
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 June 10 22:56 BST (UK) »
I found a few Rudolf Weiner's on Ancestry... but not knowing sufficient about him,  difficult.. They are mostly from Germany...
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Re: bernhard wilhelm martin emil WIENER
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 26 June 10 23:02 BST (UK) »
that could be an additional problem - the surname at marriage is Wiener not Weiner.

Are any of the Rudolf's you found, furniture manufacturers?

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Re: bernhard wilhelm martin emil WIENER
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 30 September 10 10:07 BST (UK) »
Hi ive not been around for a bit but i have a little more information if it helps B W M E WEINER - please note the change of spelling in the surname ?? and his wife M K WEINER formerly Linnenkugel not only had a son but also had two daughters - Beatrice Kate M WEINER born also in Newcastle upon Tyne - 66 Hannah Street on 7 july 1906 and also Dora WEINER again born in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1908 . Bernhard occupation is given as MILLWRIGHT on the birth certificate. I also checked on the 1911 census and found no trace of the family members other that Alfreid Heindrick WEINER living in Heaton with the family he knew to be his natural family.
Unfortunately still no clue as to where the family originated from ?????? :(
Thanks for everyones help
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Re: bernhard wilhelm martin emil WIENER
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 31 July 18 19:33 BST (UK) »
Update on the locations associated with WIENER Altona Hamburg , Malchin, Dargun and Rostock Germany and other family names associated Paschen , Dahse, Genz, Rachow , Lass or Sass, Goethe, Burmeister, Richter, Pietruck, Brundel, Wolfson, Greeck, Pilorski , Zapp and Mass
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Wiles St Neots Cambs / Staffs/ Rotherham
Friedrich Boye Lubeck Germany / Llandudno