SA BDM lookup if possible please

[Sharon Moroney]

Hello I am new to this but noticed the ship name here so I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to find information on whether my ancestor Johanna Helmling was on this passenger list for the Peter Godeffroy in 1857 from Germany?

[cando]

Hi Sharon...and welcome.

This link has a passenger list for the PETER GODDEFROY
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/petergoddefroy1857.shtml

The compiler states that few German passenger lists survive and he is aware that there is information missing.  Compiled from various resources.

Could you give me a little more information about Johanna eg her year of birth, parents names etc.  I can see a J HELMLING  arriving in Melbourne in 1866 and possibly the same person arriving Qld.  May be a seaman.

[Sharon Moroney]

Hi cando!
Thanks for your response. I have some sketchy information on Johanna. She was born "about" 1838 followed a thread to find she came out here in 1857 on that ship. I am taking this information as true only because others have researched it and filled it in on other sites. She has parents listed as unknown on many sites but that's all I have so far. She did end up in Raymond Terrace where she had an son (Henry) around or before 1858. She went on to marry a man with the last name Martens and her son became often known as Henry Martens after that. I think that's all I have at the moment. Where was the J Helmling you saw?

[Sharon Moroney]

I have found a death notice in the NSW births deaths and marriages site for Johanna. It lists her parents names as John and Mary A. They sound anglicised to me though or simply untrue. She dies in Raymond Terrace.

[Essie]

Hi Sharon

There was only one HELMLING marriage in NSW and the bride was recorded as "Jane" but I am sure it is your Johanna.
Do you have the marriage certificate for this couple?
2608/1858 at RAYMOND TERRACE
MARTINS Wilhelm
HELMLING Jane

Essie

[sparrett]

I have found a death notice in the NSW births deaths and marriages site for Johanna. It lists her parents names as John and Mary A. They sound anglicised to me though or simply untrue. She dies in Raymond Terrace.

This one?

HELMLING  Johanna 
REG 5943 Year1873
Father JOHN
Mother MARY A
At NEWCASTLE

The death indexing which you have found and cited as your Johanna is more likely to be for this child.

Birth
HELMLING  Johanna A 
REG 16311 Year 1870
Father JOHN
Mother MARY A
At RAYMOND TERRACE

Sue

[sparrett]

The child Henry whom you  have mentioned, was registered in two surnames.

HEMLING Henry
11692/1858
Mother Jane
Father -
Raymond Terrace


MARTIN Henry
11692/1858
Mother Jane
Father -
Raymond Terrace

Sue

[Sharon Moroney]

Hi sparrett
Thanks for that info.
Yes it appears that Johanna often used Jane as her name. I'm not sure if Henry was actually born here or on a ship or in Germany before Johanna arrived. She may have not registered his birth until 1858 though, is that possible?
Henry later married in 1877 and his age was listed as 21 which would make him born in 1856 but that could be a lie to marry I guess as he married a woman of 37.

[sparrett]

Why do you think Henry was not Wilhelm MARTENS child?

Sue