Looking for Old Villages in Wales

[bevbee]

Sticking my neck out a bit; the 1841 Census for Clydey records a David Davies living with his parents and siblings at "Hendrewylim" - a farm of some 150 acres. There is no other David in Clydey that will fit the bill.
 
David is recorded as the son of John (50); Jane (45); Sarah (25); David (20); Annah (20); Margret (14);
Elizabeth (6); James (4); Esther (1). All born Pembrokeshire. (don't forget adult ages to the nearest 5 years below.)
 
I note that David and  Phoebe were residents of 6 South Street Merthyr Tydfil in 1871. Look up the1881 Census and you will find a David Davies (60) and Phyllis, his wife (66), both born Pembroke and resident at that same address. I suggest a mis-transcription of Phoebe but I do not have the original Census to check.   

I suggest you do a check of Merthyr deaths in 1882. At least three in the name of David Davies - possible that Phoebe left for US after the death of her husband. 
 


 

[marty1226]

Hi Bev!  This is very interesting!  I just checked the 1881 census you refer to.  (I'll check the 1841 census later).  1881 census could be the right family for several reasons. 

1. The address is the same as the 1871 census. 

2. Elizabeth Higgins, age 21, (who is listed as a lodger on the 1881 census) could be the same Elizabeth who is listed as the 18 month old daughter on the 1861 census AND the 11 year old granddaughter, Lizzie, on the 1871 census. 

3. The 1881 census shows Elizabeth's birthplace as Pennydarren.  The family lived in Pennydarren during the 1851 census (last name was Davis) and on High St. during the 1861 census (which I think is in Pennydarren.)

4. The one conflicting piece of information from the 1881 census is the birthplace of Phoebe.  It shows ditto marks under Pembrokeshire for David's place of birth.  All other census records show her birthplace as St. Clare, Carmarthenshire so I guess the ditto marks could be an error. 

How does one find the baptismal records for a person?  Do you need to know the parish name?  How can I find that out?

Let me know what you think & thanks for all your help!

Martha

[hiraeth]

2. Elizabeth Higgins, age 21, (who is listed as a lodger on the 1881 census) could be the same Elizabeth who is listed as the 18 month old daughter on the 1861 census AND the 11 year old granddaughter, Lizzie, on the 1871 census. 

freeBMD has this marriage
Dec Q 1878 Merthyr Tydfil  vol 11a page 593
HIGGINS, Thomas
DAVIES, Elizabeth 

[Morganllan]

Also at 6 South St Merthyr in 1881:
Thomas Higgins Lodger age 21 Fireman and his daughter Sarah age 1
so Elizabeth was lodging in the same house as Thomas!

[Morganllan]

Link to this thread to avoid duplicaton:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,470174.0.html

[marty1226]

Great find on the 1881 census for Thomas, Elizabeth & Sarah Higgins.  I'm sure its the right family!

[marty1226]

Forgot to say thanks!     

[marty1226]

For Bev - I think the 1841 census is a good guess for the Davies family.  Do you (or anyone else) know what the farm's name,  HENDREWYLIM, means?

As far as determining which 1882 death is the correct David Davies, I don't know how I can.  I did look at several but from what I can see, they are just names on a page.  I think its a good guess that he died in 1882 because he was alive on the 1881 census and his wife, Phoebe, arrived in the US on 9 Nov 1882. 

Thanks for all your help!

Martha

[Galium]

To find where church records for places in the UK and Ireland are kept, GENUKI is very helpful:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/

The page for Clydey:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Clydey/index.html#ChurchRecords

shows that records are kept at the National Library of Wales and at Pembrokeshire record Office, and also that the Bishops Transcripts for Clydey have been filmed by the LDS.  If you live near an LDS Family History Center, you can order the film to view at the centre for a small fee.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/09aq/