Hello Zacktyr,
thanks for such a detailed response.Ill give you what i have,im afraid its a bit messy though,and not all that easy to follow.Ill start from the top and work down.
4xgreat grandparents Richard Holtum Pain/Jane Elizabeth Spain.
married Parish Church St.John,Margate on 12/10/1845.
Hes full age,labourer,living in Margate,father William Pain,mariner.
Shes minor,living Margate,father John Spain,labourer.
both made their mark with a cross,witnesses W H Spain/George Dixon.
the first confusion comes from 1841 census:
1841 in St Peters.
Richard Holton b1785 Kent.
Susannah(nee Pain) b1809 Kent.
Richard Pain b1828 Kent.
Bartholomew Pain b 1830 Kent.
class HO107 piece468 book19.
freebmd has baptisms for a Richard and Barth Hood Pain circa right dates and place,but as sons of Elizabeth Pain.
Richard Holtons wife Susannah Pain had a brother William b1790 St Peters and Elizabeth b1803.
So the baptism shows Richard as son of Elizabeth Pain,his marriage cert has him as son of William and the 1841 shows him with Richard Holton and Susannah Pain.
One possibility that occured to me is that they were the sons of William and a possible wife Elizabeth,but for some reason were raised by Richard and Susannah,possibly orphaned.
1851 census:
Richard H Pain b1825 Margate
Jane E b1826 Margate.
Richard J b1847 Margate.
George W b1848 St Peters.
John T b1850 Minster.
class HO107 piece 1629 folio287 page6.
I think Richard H died between 1851-61.Their are two deaths in Thanet,one in 1855,another in 1856.
1861 two entries:
In Thanet Workhouse:
Richard Fain(Pain) b1846 St Peters.deserted child.
John b1849 St Peters.deserted.
SUSANNA b1852 St Peters.deserted.
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In a boarding house in Whitstable:
Jane Warman? b1828 Margate
Lenny? Payne b1855 Margate
Elizabeth Warner b1859 Whitstable.
class RG9 piece 524 folio71 page2.
I think Jane Warman could be a mis-transcription of Warner,although it definately looks like Warman on document.
Similarly,i think Lenny is Louisa Payne,although it definately looks like Lenny.
1871 census:
Thomas Warner b1834 Whitstable
Jane b1826 Margate
SUSANNAH born1852 Kent
Louisa born 1854 Kent
Sarah born 1870 Kent(listed as daughter,but shes grand-daughter)
class RG10 piece974 folio30 page15.
1881 census:
Thomas Bennett b1857 Whitstable
Louisa b1854 Minster,Kent.
Thomas Warner b1835 Seasalter,father-in-law.
Sarah b1870 Seasalter grand-child.
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1891 census:
Louisa Payne b1852 Minster married
Sarah A b1870 Whitstable.
Emma J b1886 Whitstable.
Louisa E b1890 Whitstable.
Thomas Warner b1831 Whitstable.single.
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1901 census:
Thomas W Warner b1834 Whitstable.
Louisa E Pain b1855 Margate daughter.
next door:
Sarah A Payne b1871 Whitstable.
Emma J b1886 Whitstable.
Lucy E b1889 Whitstable.
James T b1892 Whitstable.
class RG13 piece800 folio58 p27.
Theres a death for Thomas Warner sept quart 1904 Blean.
A possible death for Jane Payne sept 1879 Blean,although the age is a few years out.
My great-grandmother Emma Jane Pains birth cert shows her born 21/11/1885 Middle Wall,Seasalter,no father shown,mother Sarah Amelia Pain of Middle Wall,Seasalter,registered on 10th Dec.Shown on freebmd.
also on freebmd:
James Thomas Pain sept1892 blean 2a 852
Louisa(Lucy) Eliza june1889 blean 2a 841
her two siblings.
Sarah Amelias birth cert shows her born 14/03/1870 Whitstable,no father shown,mother Susannah Sarah Pain of Whitstable registered 24/03/1870.
Susannah Sarah Paine june quart 1852 Isle of Thanet 2a 543 on freebmd,dont have that cert yet.
Sarah Amelias death cert shows she died on 17/03/1941 at 2 Victoria St,Whitstable,age 71,surname Payne,widow of James Thomas Payne(seaman).The informant was her son James Thomas Payne.
Ive got Louisas marriage cert to Arthur Little on 26/08/1908 and she gives her father as Thomas Payne(deceased) farmer.
My great grandmother Emma Jane married my great grandfather Nelson Camburn on 05/06/1908 Whitstable Parish Church,no father shown for her.
She herself had an illigitimate daughter Margaret(Meg) reg june quart 1903 Blean.We dont know who her father was.She married Sidney Kay dec quart 1904 blean.They had about 10 children and lived their married life in London,where he was from.I believe most of them married around the West Ham/Romford area.
None of all this is helped by the fact that g grandmother never talked about her past or family,and ive found very few people on GenesReunited or other sites who are researching them,none in fact,apart from one relative of Sidney Kay.
Ive really gone on here,but if you or anyone else can dissect what ive got,add to it or take from it,id appreciate for anything at all.
Thanks to everyone whos helped me on this,im reallt grateful,
Nel.
