1901 Census for Richard Rose,Southend on Sea

[crisane]

Hi Keyboard86,

I did have a go with Google and it is a separate identity in its own right, a bit further than spitting distance from Southend on Sea, but probably with public transport to and fro in those days, managable for visiting.
My other ancestors seemed to do 5 mile walks to surrounding villages no problem, unlike today when we all hop in the car.
Thanks for your help,
Regards,
kiwi

My Dad used to take us for 20 mile hikes on Sundays just for the fun of it!   For him I think

Still no luck with 1851.

[kiwi]

Hi Keyboard86,

That is most impressive Keyboard86.  Thank you so much.
My imagination is running wild, maybe Amelia, his widow, was a highly desireable catch and could afford to wait 5 years before remarrying. Maybe she carried on as the hotel keeper in her husbands place. 
Here we are based on English Law and until recently a woman could not hold a Hotel licence without being married, at least as I understand it.
Any sign of Richard (jnr) in London in 1861 I wonder, he'd have been about 17/18yr, he wasn't in NZ from what I have gathered.
Regards,
kiwi

[kiwi]

20 mile hikes
We always went camping in a tent in the summer holidays for weeks on end.  Dad commuted to work sometimes.  Heaps of fun, learnt to swim in the rivers.
kiwi.

[crisane]

I can't find Richard senior in 1851 so looked on FreeBMD and there is this death reg.
Richard Rose June 1/4 1843 St. Geo. Han. Sqr. vol 1 page 39
Just gone back over earlier posts and see you have a death for Richard snr kiwi but in 1842? Which I can't find.
back to the puzzle

[crisane]

Richard Rose and Amelia Brooks marriage registered March 1/4 1843 St George Han Sqr vol 1 page 7
Where oh where are Amelia and Richard junr in 1851?

[louisa maud]

I stand to be corrected here but Rochford House might well have been part of Rochford hospital, did it say what relationship the informant was

Louisa Maud

[louisa maud]

a possibilty, I have found this cross reference, I do not kknow where Amelia was born

Amelia Rose marr Henry Bateman
1847 St Geo Han sq


1851
St Geo Han Sq
HO107/F 58 P 22
Looks like Batts Hotel nos 41/43
Henry Bateman 33 Hotel Keeper
Amelia 33 born Essex
9 other people who were staff

Louisa Maud

[louisa maud]

1861 1 Albert Villas Hammersmith
RG9/23 F 91 P 12
Henry Bateman 43 born London
Amelia 43 born Wendon Essex
Helen Amelia 8
Harry Charles 3

Children shown as born Manchester but crossed out

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1871 RG10/2080 F 7 PAGE 5
Gages House
Ashburton Devon
Henry 53
Amelia 53 shown as born Dover St Piccadilly
Helen Amelia 18
Henry Charles 13

I amy well be barking completely up the wrong tree

Louisa Maud

[crisane]

hello louisa maud
 That 1851 census is the only one that looks anywhere near a good possibility at this stage but it still leaves young Richard born 1843 out there somewhere. If he was the Richard Rose who landed in Victoria Oz in Dec 1864 then he should be in England in 1851 and '61.
Of course the marriage cert for Amelia and Henry would give her previous married name if it was 'our' Amelia.