Jeal / Jewiss / Lanceley Look Up please

[Loulou330]

Hi, I would like to trace a family who lived in a cottage next to the Brewery Tap Public House on Lakedale Lane Plumstead between the years 1885 and 1895.

I am trying to trace a couple who are featured in a lovely photo I have with the following text written on the back

"this photo is my mother's aunt and uncle, Mr. and Mrs. Jeal.  They lived in a cottage by the "Brewery Tap" in Lakedale Road, Plumstead.  I used to go and see them and meet my mother there when I came from school and we would walk home together.  My mother died suddenly of a heart attach when I was 13.  I was in the Ex 7th and left school then.  My sisters, Dolly then 17 and Kate 15 were mother's helps."

The lady who wrote this was Lizzie Heasman and she would have started school in approx 1887 and her mother died 1895.

I'm not sure how hard it would be to trace this couple on the electoral role or some other such record - I've tried all the usual census etc but I cannot pin the couple down.

I believe it is possible that Lizzie got their surname wrong and it was Jewis (married name of her mother's aunt). 

I would dearly love to put this mystery to bed .

Many thanks,


Loulou 330

[casalguidi]

Hi Loulou

Do you have the name of the mother's aunt and her date/place of birth which should help to track her in the census?  If not, what information do you have about her?

Casalguidi

[grandarog]

Hi Loulou  ,
                         Any Good for you couple of doors from the Brewery Tap.


Living at 34, Lakedale Road, Plumstead.Woolwich.

JEWISS, Elizabeth Lodger & Boarder Widow F 74 1827 Living On Own Means
Plumstead

     1901 Census
                        RG13 piece 574 folio 11 page 13

                                                 Good Luck Rog 

[Loulou330]

Hi Rog,

This is fantastic

I'd got the 1901 detail but not the exact location.  Is the Brewery Tap actually mentioned on Elizabeth's page, because if it  is I've been incredibly thick!!!!

Do you have local knowledge of Plumstead?

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Many thanks for you help on this.

Loulou330

[Loulou330]

Hi Casalguidi

Unfortunately that's the problem I've only got the info on the back of the photo to go on - except that one of her Aunt's names was Elizabeth.

It looks as though Rog has been able to solve the mystery - as Elizabeth Jewiss' name has come up as a couple of doors away from the Brewery Tap - a little detail I'd completely missed.

Many thanks,

loulou330

[grandarog]

Hi Lou lou, 
                       No I dont have any Knowledge of Plumstead.


1881 Census . RG11 Piece:755 Folio:5 Page:3

This is Elizabeth and Husband

Living at :-  5, Cage Lane, Plumstead.
JEWISS, John Head Married M 50 1831 Labourer In Engineers (E & M) Gravesend Kent
JEWISS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 54 1827 Plumstead Kent


Mistranscribed as JERVIS this is them with family in 1871.

1871 Census . RG10 Piece:794 Folio:39 Page:17

Living at :- Salvage's Cottage, Plumstead
JERVIS, John Head M 43 1828 Kent
JERVIS, Elizth Wife F 44 1827 Kent
JERVIS, John Son M 14 1857 Kent
JERVIS, Henry Son M 8 1863 Kent
JERVIS, Sarah E Daughter F 6 1865 Kent

Have not found them in 1861 yet.

Also cannot find a suitable Marriage on FBMD

In 1851 HO107 Piece:1608 Folio:100 Page:20

I found

JEWISS, John Son Unmarried M 20 1831 WatermanGravesendKent
living with Mum Dad and 6 Siblings at 3, Clifton Road, Gravesend

                                                  Good Luck, Rog   


PS.   I Finally found them in 1891 again Mistranscribed.

RG12 Piece:541 Folio:2 Page:7
Living at :- 34, Cage Lane, Plumstead
 HUSS, John Head Married M 61 1830 Engineer Labourer Gravesend Kent
 HUSS, Elizth Wife Married F 64 1827 Plumstead London

[grandarog]

Hi Loulou,
    Update , talk about Mistranscriptions   finally found their mariage,
               
1851 Census HO107 Piece:1590 Folio:306 Page:32
Living at:- Plumstead Road, Plumstead
JEAL, Sarah Head Widow F 61 1790 Pauper Robertsbridge Sussex

JEAL, Elizabeth, Daughter Unmarried F 24 1827 Serv Plumstead Kent
JEAL, John Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Ag Lab Plumstead Kent

JEAL, Rachel Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834 Plumstead Kent

PITCHER, John Lodger Unmarried M 30 1821 Brick Maker Erith Kent


Marriages Dec 1855 Lewisham 1d 875  :- JUISS John - JEAL Elizabeth

[Loulou330]

Hi Rog,

Thanks so much for your help - I agree, the amount of ways to speak Jeal and Jewiss is unbelievable.

Thanks again,

Loulou

[markhead]

Dear Loulou,

I cannot remember if I have replied to this message before because I rarely use this website, but I have just taken up researching some of my earlier relatives.
My HEAD family appeared in Plumstead at the turn of the 18th/19th centuries and the subsequent family was large, all living in Plumstead and Woolwich. One of the first children to be born of John Head and Sophia Smith was William E Head. (John was a gunner in the navy, having been in the Southampton militia and having been taken on board ship bound for the West Indies during the Napoleonic Wars - he ended up at Woolwich Barracks!) I can find little reference to him apart from a highly possible (second) marriage to a Henrietta Jeal in Orpington, Kent on 5 June 1842, Henrietta was the daughter of Edward Jeal of Orpington. William's father is noted as John, which makes this a real possibility. I found another family JEAL living in Plumstead around the same time, so it is possible that this is family - cousins, perhaps, of Henrietta.
The Brewery Tap pub was just at the bottom of Lakedale Road, where my father's family all lived, and John Head started out living up the hill on the common. it is quite possible, therefore, that the HEADs and the JEALs met each other socially. I have pasted my research for you below - I hope it is useful!

Mark Head

headmail at zen.co.uk if you want to reply directly.

Name: William Head
Spouse's Name: Hennerritta Jeal
Event Date: 12 Jun 1842
Event Place: Orpington,Kent,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: 992515

Name: William Head
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Jun 1842
Event Place: Orpington, Kent, England
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Name: John Head
Spouse's Name: Hennerietta Jeal
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Father's Name: Edward Jeal
Volume: 15
GS Film Number: 000992515 , Digital Folder Number: 004989831 , Image Number: 00688
Citing this Record

Name: William Head
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 05 Jun 1842
Event Place: Orpington, Kent, England
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Name: Henrietta Jeal
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
GS Film Number: 000992528 , Digital Folder Number: 004989844 , Image Number: 00014

Name: Henrietta Jeal
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 17 Aug 1806
Christening Place: ORPINGTON,KENT,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Edward Jeal
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00837-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 992515

Name: William Henry Jeal
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 22 Feb 1835
Christening Place: Plumstead, Kent, England
Father's Name: William Henry Jeal
Mother's Name: Ann Jeal
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02906-6 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number:
1469482 , Reference ID: 122
Name: Henry Edward Jeal
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 12 Oct 1845
Christening Place: Plumstead, Kent, England
Father's Name: James Jeal
Mother's Name: Rebecca Jeal
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02906-6 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1469482

Marriages Jun 1842   (>99%)
________________________________________
HEAD    William        Bromley
 5   92A

JEAL    Henrietta        Bromley
 5   92A


Marriages Jun 1841   (>99%)
________________________________________
ASHDOWN    Caroline        Bromley
 5   61

BARRY    Mary Ann        Bromley
 5   61

HEAD    William        Bromley
 5   61

KING    Hannah        Bromley
 5   61

PICKETT    Martha        Bromley
 5   61


Marriages Sep 1839   (>99%)
________________________________________
Head William  Dartford 5147 WHIFFEN Elizabeth  Dartford 5147

Deaths Jun 1842   (>99%)
________________________________________
HEAD    William        Greenwich
 5   191