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Charles William PAKENHAM
« on: Monday 07 November 11 13:29 GMT (UK) »
Searching for confirmation of the parents of Charles William Pakenham who was a Merchant in Grahamstown around the 1840's. He married Elizabeth Emma Jarman from Grahamstown around 1840.

I have heard a story ( not sure if true or not) that a Lieutenant Pakenham eloped with a Margaret -  who was born in Scotland when he was stationed in Ireland. He is supposed to have done service in India and then sent to Grahamstown. When the Lieutenant died, the Pakenham family offered to pay for the children's education, but wouldn't have anything to do with Margaret. Margaret refused their help and opened up a shop in Grahamstown to support her children. It is possible he may have been excluded from the Pakenham family because of the elopment.

Margaret is supposed to have later married a David Murray which didn't last long and then married a William Rowland Thompson, who also was a merchant. Margaret's name for the last marriage was shown as Murray, from second marriage.

Ther may be some truth to the story, as I found various entries that showed Charles W Pakenham and William R Thompson were involved in business together with a James Black, who married Catherine Pakenham (b: 1815). Charles was also a keen racegoer and owned at one stage a stallion called Jack. There is every chance that Catherine was Charles's sister.

Hope someone can help solve the dilema.

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Re: Charles William PAKENHAM
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 November 11 11:53 GMT (UK) »
His will and death notice for him at the Cape Town Archive. The names of the parents are normally listed on them.

Depot:KAB
Source:MOOC
Volume:6/9/130
Reference:5914
Description: Pakenham, Charles William. Death Notice
Date 1870

And his will

Depot:KAB
source:MOOC
Volume:7/1/307
Description:Pakenham. Charles William. Will
Date:1870

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Re: Charles William PAKENHAM
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 November 11 16:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

Thomas Pakenham, Lieutenant, died Grahamstown
Wife Margaret Stone
Children:
Catherine born 1816, died 8 Sept 1876 in GHT aged 60 years, buried Old Cemetery GHT, married James Black on 3 Dec 1833 in St George's Church GHT.   James born 1808 died 23 June 1885.
Charles Murray born 12 Nov 1817, baptized Dutch Reformed Church, Uitenhage.
Charles William died 10 Dec 1869 in Port Elizabeth aged 52 years, merchant, married to Elizabeth Emma who died 29 Mar 1892.
Thomas Harrison  died 17 Oct 1829 in GHT, buried Old Cemetery GHT.  ***In Index to Old Cemetery GHT are 2 entries - under Pakenham and also as Thomas Harrison Pakenham Thompson, died 17 Oct 1829 aged 11 years 7 months, son of Margaret & William.

I cannot find a date of death for Thomas, no gravestone listed in the Old Cemetery GHT.

See next post for more
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Re: Charles William PAKENHAM
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 November 11 16:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi again

Margaret Stone married to Thomas Pakenham.

Margaret married David Murray on 17 July 1818 in Dutch Reformed Church in Uitenhage - note under David Murray: 1815 - 1820 licenses to keep a shop in GHT and sell Cape wine and beer and European wine.

Margaret married William Rowland Thompson in 1821 (his age 24). He was born in 1797 and died GHT 25 Jan 1871, merchant.
Their children:
William Rowland born 1823, Christine Emma born 1827, Henry born 1828/9, Jessie Mary Scott born 1830 & Robert Johnstone (no dob).
GHT Old Cemetery: Thompson, Margaret died 21 Aug 1838 aged 44 years wife of William.

Obituary Graham's Town Journal 23 Aug 1838: "Died, at Graham's Town, on Tuesday morning, the 21st inst., Mrs Margaret Thompson, wife of W.R. Thompson, Esq., Merchant, of that place.   Deceased was one of the oldest residents on the frontier, and was no less extensively known than esteemed by all classes.  For warm-hearted and active benevolence, she was a bright example to all whom Providence has blessed with the means of relieving human woe, and the poor of this town have lost in her a sympathising and zealous benefactress.  In the immediate circle of her friends and family, her loss is irreparable.   To a most cheerful disposition she united a kind, affectionate heart, and thus, while she wept with those who wept, she rejoiced with them who rejoiced.   It was her constant aim, as it was her peculiar forte, to contribute to the happiness of all around her;  hence her decease has left a blank in the social circle of her family and friends, who is no less deeply than keenly felt;  and although time may soften the distress, yet her memory must ever be cherished in sad and grateful remembrance".

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Re: Charles William PAKENHAM
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 November 11 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Me again

Charles William Pakenham:  Dec 1847 partner in EH Salmond & Co with GC Frames. Feb 1853 going overseas, sells furniture in GHT. 1859 a Director of Commercial Bank. 1862 living Pearson Street Port Elizabeth, house of RH Black. Jun 1861 CWP of Black & Co resigns seat, Commercial Bank, Robert H Black succeeds him. 1874 widow Elizabeth Emma at Frances Place, Bird Street, Port Elizabeth.

Charles was married to Elizabeth Emma.   Emma died 29 March 1892 at Zaag Kuilen, Field Cornetcy Gamtoos River, the residence of son in law T P Bean.

Children:
Jessie Margaret
Charles William
Robert Thompson died 25 Aug 1897 aged 53 years, died at the home of Willard Bean.
George Henry died 19 Feb 1871 at Platberg Mountain, Orange Free State, died taking a short cut in the dark, fell from a krans [cliff].
Edith Emma married Thomas Pullen Bean in St Mary's Church, Port Elizabeth on 15 July 1874.

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Re: Charles William PAKENHAM
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 November 11 17:21 GMT (UK) »
Last one:

James Black born 1808 in Haddington, Scotland, died GHT 23 June 1885 aged 77 years, buried Old Cemetery GHT, merchant.
Partner in WR Thompson & Co till WRT died, then Black, Darvall & Co till Darvall returned to England.  Black & Co with his son in law JB Brown. 1853 was living in Selwyn Castle.
Son of Rev Benoni & Agnes, brother of Robert Henry and John E.

Married to Catherine Pakenham
Children:
Margaret born 29 Sept 1834 in GHT, baptized St George's Church, GHT, died in infancy, buried Old Cemetery, GHT
Agnes, born 8 Nov 1835 in GHT, baptised St George's Church, GHT
John, died in infancy, buried Old Cemetery GHT
James Rowland, born 1844, died 28 Aug 1891 aged 47 years near Hankey, buried Old Cemetery, GHT
Catherine, died in infancy, buried Old Cemetery, GHT
John Ebenezer, born 1853, baptized St George's Church GHT, died 22 Oct 1873 aged 20 years 3 days, buried Old Cemetery GHT.

Enjoy
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Sandy
PS I have not checked for the gravestones on line but you can try eGSSA Library - gravestones in South Africa - Eastern Cape - Grahamstown - maybe some of the stones are still there & have been photographed?

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Re: Charles William PAKENHAM
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 November 11 20:51 GMT (UK) »
Thank you to everyone for your great help in mostly saving this dilema. I just need to try and see which Pakenham clad in Ireland that the Lieutenant came from.

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Re: Charles William PAKENHAM
« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 November 11 05:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sandy,

I have just received a copy of the Death Certificate for Charles William Pakenham, and on it indicates that the mother's name appears to be Margaret Sloan, not Stone (see attached copy). Can you cross check your details to be sure we are talking about the same woman. I believe we are, as all the other facts appear to fall into place and make sense.

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Re: Charles William PAKENHAM
« Reply #8 on: Monday 28 November 11 17:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

A death notice completed by a family member is always the most reliable.   The info I found was from a typed sheet so I assume that the original record probably was difficult to read and that's why it was deciphered as Stone.

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Sandy