Seeking Sedenary information

[Tennille]

Hello,

I hope someone may be able to help seek information on a Sedenary family. Giuseppe/Joseph Sedenary/Sedunary/Sedinari married Ann Stears in Middlesex in 1803. Their son, also Joseph, was born soon after. Giuseppe and Ann have not been found at any time after this.

The younger Joseph was married in 1828 in Reading.

I am wondering if Giuseppe and Ann had moved to Berkshire, and had further family there. I have not found them in the burial records I have had access to. I am hoping that someone will be able to have a look to see if they can find any birth records between 1803 and about 1815. Also seeking possible burials for Giuseppe and Ann. Giuseppe was born 1756, and Ann in 1787.

Thank You for any help you are able to offer.

[horse000]

Hi

I'm not sure how much help this is as it is quite a bit later than your dates, but does appear to relate to Joseph Jr.

Reading and Wokingham have a number of Sedunary's, there is also a Florence, b. Berks. living OOC.

Source, Family Search:
1901, Elington, Hunts. Florence A Sedunary aged 30y, birthplace Wokingham, described as an adopted daughter.
1911, Great Gaddesden, Herts. Florence A Sedunary aged 39y, birthplace Woodley.

She is also found on the Free BMD:
Q2 1871 Florence Adelaide Sedunary, Wokingham. 2c, 374.
There are 2 other Sedunary's in 1873 and 1874.

She married in 1916 to Egbert James Phillips. Her father was a Samuel Sedunari. If she was adopted, she must have retained her birth name.

I have found a Joseph and Ann Sedunary in 1851 in Reading, but I presume that is Joseph Jr and that you have those details. They have a son, Samuel aged 20 and I'm wondering if this is Florence's father (or even grandfather).

A bit of a long shot, and I may be wrong, but I believe Italian women often use/used their maiden names, even after marriage, could this have applied to Ann?

Hope you can get some clues from this.

Regards
Geoff

[horse000]

Hi

Just had a quick browse on Ancestry (London Metropolitan Archives, St Marylebone Mar.), Joseph sr, on his marriage entry (by banns) his name is entered as Joseph Sedenary, but below it looks to be signed Guiseppe Sedenary, in the presence of John Millock or Nillock, can't read the second name.

There is also a comment on a tree, similar to the observation I mentioned above (about signing his name).

There is a mildly interesting, hearsay story about why he came to England and married so quickly.

Regards
Geoff

[joboy]

Hi Tennille ..... there has been  a lot of discourse on rootschat about this family
Try these links;
Joboy

http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,148736.0.html

[horse000]

Hi

Interesting also, why would an Italian sign his name with a Y at the end, there is no Y in the Italian Alphabet?

Regards
Geoff

[Tennille]

Thank You both for your replies. 

I do have a lot of information on the more recent generations of this family. I am searching at the moment for Giuseppe (Joseph), and Ann (born Stears in Yorkshire). After the birth of their child (Joseph Edward), noone seems to have found them. I have seen a copy of Joseph Edward's third marriage certificate, which from memory was in 1853, at this time it states that Giuseppe (Joseph) was a Valet. No information on whether he is still living though, and if so, where he is living. There seems to be confusion about when Giuseppe was born too. I have seen around 1756, and 1776. Surely he was not still living and working in 1853 if he was born in the 1750s! I had not considered that Ann may have continued using her Maiden name after they married. I have been searching under all the variations I have seen for Sedunary, but found nothing.

It seems there are a number of family stories which are being passed down through the generations. I have seen the one on Ancestry. It has been passed down through my husband's branch that Giuseppe was Italian Nobility. Which seems to have come down to others as we have seen a Stemma for Sedinari, and a suggestion that they may have been involved with the Court of the House of Este in Italy and he has fled when Napoleon took Modena. However there is no evidence to prove it at this time. I guess the spelling change is to look "more English" 

I did recently find a surname index for the Berkshire 1851 census which says there is another Sedunary somewhere other than in Reading where Joseph Edward and his family were at the time. However I have not found it yet. From memory it was in Volume 9 part 1, however the attached list does not say which district it is. http://www.berksfhs.org.uk/berkshire/Census1851volumes.htm

Thanks again!
Tennille

[joboy]

Hi

Interesting also, why would an Italian sign his name with a Y at the end, there is no Y in the Italian Alphabet?

Regards
Geoff

Exactly ...... I made this point on one of the other related topics.
I suspect that when he landed on  UK he was asked by some cockney official to state his name who wrote Jessepo as it appears on the marriage banns to Ann Stears and,probably not knowing any different,he used that name throughout his puff.
I have looked for his burial for years without success .... probably 'mangled' again by some official.
Joe

[joboy]

There are loads of family researching this in NZ as Joseph went there after Ann Mattingly died with his new wife Mary Ann Langley Flower who died with her unborn child at Adelaide South Australia.
This is a rundown which I did in 2005.

Mary Ann Langley FLOWER (my great grand aunt) married a widower Joseph
Edward SEDUNARY in Reading Berks on 1st August 1854.
They migrated to Adelaide in the same year.He was a widower with 7 children
...... she was a spinster.

Mary Ann Langley SEDUNARY was pregnant and was confined in Adelaide on 12
Jan 1855 (dont know where ) as this information is from a letter written
from England in1856 which says (in part);
"She was confined on 12 January 1855 at Adelaide and died with the baby 10
February 1855 ......... she was grossly used by the nurse"

I have secured this information to date;

South Australian Births 1842-1906 (c) SAGHS
Surname: SEDUNARY
Given Names: William Flower
Date: 1855-01-12
Sex: M
Father: Joseph Edward SEDUNARY
Mother: Mary Ann Langley FLOWER
Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 5
Page: 98
Cross Reference:

South Australian Deaths Registrations 1842 to 1915
Surname: SEDJUNARY
Given Names: Mary Ann Langby (sic)
Date: 1855-02-16
Sex: F
Age: 34y
Status: M
Relative: John SEDJUNARY (sic) (H)
Relative 2:
Residence: Adelaide
Death Place: (not recorded)
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 3
Page: 115
Cross Reference:


Surname: SEDUNARY
Given Names: William Flower
Date: 1855-02-10
Sex: M
Age: 1m
Status: C
Relative: Joseph Edward SEDUNARY (F)
Relative 2:
Residence: (not recorded)
Death Place: (not recorded)
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 3
Page: 113
Cross Reference:

[joboy]

If you use ancestry here is a link to an Italian researcher who has some input that Guiseppe hailes from Moderna;
Might be worth contacting?
Joe