*Completed thank you* Ships Passenger lists England to Canada - Moss

[mso1]

Hi Andy

The two boys and my grandma were all living with different relative by 1911, I was contacted recently by the granddaughter of James and Grandson of William, who (strangely) were both researching the Thomas & Martha Moss mystery too, this brought the three branches of the family together for the first time since the three Moss children were all separated sometime between 1906-1911!

Martha would have been 34 in 1911 but it is true that she would have been heading for Saskatchewan. I have a copy of the passenger list that details her (I think) as a deported passenger in Jan 1913, on the SS Royal Edward. The reason I am thinking that this may be her is because she died within weeks of this arrival in Bristol in the workhouse there.

I have found no record of Thomas - except a possible sailing back to Canada in Nov 1906 and it looks like this too has a deportation notice on it - 'to be deported on arrival?' I have searched the 1911 census thoroughly and also Canadian records but to no avail. I would love to piece all this together and find out what happened to them! Thank you Andy
Kind regards  Moira

[andycand]

Hi Moira

I would have a look at the outward passenger list for Martha Moss on the Royal George in 1911. I don't have access to it but on the free search she was 34. The outward passenger list, which is on Findmypast, might have more information.

If it was her then she could have been deported for making false statements, the passenger list says she hasn't been to Canada before.

Andy

[mso1]

Thanks Andy, I dont have access to these records either but I believe my local library does and I am going to have a look at them this afternoon.  I will let you know how it goes and thanks very much for your help!
Regards Moira

[mso1]

Hi Andy
After spending a couple of hours down at the library trawling through illegible passenger lists, I came away with no proof that the Martha who was deported in 1913 from Canada was my Great Grandmother. So I went for a walk down the canal in my village and still had a strong gut feeling that the deported passenger was Martha and that she probably sailed out on the same ship (the original records for that journey are so illegible I think they must have been written by the ships cat!!)
Anyway, when I got home I received a reply to an email I had sent a couple weeks ago to Bristol Records Office which contained details of Martha's admittance to Eastville workhouse (tried to copy it here but site wont let me) which confirms that she definately was the deported passenger on the SS Royal Edward, and died a couple weeks later in the workhouse. She must have been trying to get to Canada to find her husband Thomas, who she had named as next of kin (address unknown)  Sad, sad story but good to know that my gut feeling was correct!!

Thank you for all your help Andy and Carole, much appreciated.
Kind regards, Moira

[Lucy1903]

Hi all - just spotted this tread. I’m also trying to find out what happened to Thomas Moss. (He would be my great great grandfather, his son James my great grandfather).
The last evidence we have is the document transferring ownership of the land he farmed in Lloydminster to him in 1908. Possible he was alive then although the application for the land was made in 1906 and the final stamp given in 1908.
Any updates / thoughts on what could have happened would be fantastic.
You probably know Martha is buried at Middleton on the Hill, a memorial bench has recently been placed there for Philip James Moss, James’ eldest son who was also born there.

[DRM184HFD]

Hello Moira and Lucy, I hope you are both still active members on here having only just seen this thread.

I have also been searching into the Thomas & Martha story as they were my great great grandparents, their son William being my great grandfather. Who is also buried at Middleton on the Hill

[Lucy1903]

Hello - I had an email notification showing your message on here. I’m afraid we have not discovered anything further. It’s amazing that we decedents are all trying to solve this mystery after the family were separated over 100 years ago… my mother Pat has probably been in touch with you/your family trying to piece it together too. We even went to Canada several years ago and stood on the plot of land they farmed and looked through archives for hours. Would dearly love to find out anything more about Thomas or Martha. Lucy

[DRM184HFD]

Hi Lucy, this is very interesting.

I'm unfamiliar with James's family line. Until reading your post I only knew of my great grandfather William and recently his sister Elsie. If you could provide some more information I'd appreciate it.

This is very interesting, I was told that they owned a saw mill in Canada, and that it was sold after finding no relations to Thomas?

I have information on Martha's residence during her childhood, along with her father and grand father. All living within a few miles of where I grew up.

On Thomas's line i have traced back to Edward Moss born 1756, living in Hatfield, Herefordshire

[RichardMoss15Dec1905]

Hello Lucy,
Found this site by accident, saw the thread between you and other 'descendants of the Canada riddle' and thought I'd say hello.  Firstly though, God this site is a bit confusing to use!  So many adverts and pop-ups I nearly gave up.  Anyway, I'm Richard Moss,  my dad is Henry Moss, and my GF was William Henry Moss (born Lloydminster). I've done quite a bit over the years on the tree, (not as much as Moira who I gather is quite the detective) and I recently spoke via FB with Daniel (son of my first cousin) and I gather that he's on this thread too.  Are you related to the 'Ledbury Moss's'? I did visit them about 15 years ago in Ledbury, but life moved on and I lost touch. Anyway, If you want to see my FT I'd be happy to send it to you if you'd like or I can just answer your questions.  Look forward to hearing from you.  Richard