Brick Wall in 1790's-90's America and Ireland

[Janet123]

I have a friend who wants so badly to solve this puzzle regarding her 3rd grgrandfather and grandmother. I have not been able to make much progress. Any help would be much appreciated. My friend is excited about her American and Irish roots and I told her maybe posting this would help.

1851 census shows Hugh and Ann Shields living in Preston, Lancashire England. Hugh shows birth of 1782 in America and Anne shows birth of 1791 in Ireland. They have a daughter Sarah living with them and she is shown as born 1851 in Preston. On the 1861 I find Sarah living with brother Hugh who is listed as born in 1826 Penrith, Cumberland so I can place the couple in Cumberland in 1826. (I did find the 1871 census showing Jos Hugh in Lancashire).

I have not been able to find Hugh and Anne Shields in either the 1841 or the 1851 census which I hoped would detail their birth locations. I also have not been able to locate a marriage record online which I am limited to since I am in the US.  My friend purchased their death records and found that Anne's maiden name was O'Neal.
.  Hugh died in 1864 in Preston, Lancashire and Ann died 1861 in Blackburn, Lancashire.

There are some various other notes about additional children born in Cumberland but I have not been able to verify that. Hugh (Joseph Hugh) is the only one I was able to verify by census and earliest one at 1826. I wonder if Mom was catholic? 

[nickgc]

Hi - This doesn't make sense... you say in the 1851:

Anne shows birth of 1791 in Ireland. They have a daughter Sarah living with them and she is shown as born 1851

which would make Ann(e) 60 when Sarah was born (and Hugh 69).

Then in the next paragraph you say you can't find either Hugh or Ann in 1841 or 1851 census.

Are the dates quoted wrong?

Nick

[Gardener]

Hi

I think this is them in 1841

Lancaster
Sugar House Ally

Sarah Kelvin 48 I
Mary diito 14 I
Fanny ditto 19 I
Ellin ditto 11 I

Ann Sheilds 40 I
Hugh ditto 50 F
Hugh ditto 14 n
Betty ditto 15 n
John ditto 10 n
Sarah ditto 2 y

HO107 piece 533 book 3 folio 5

I'm not entirely sure that it is Betty?
F is for Foreign Parts and I for Ireland.

[Gardener]

1851 census shows Hugh and Ann Shields living in Preston, Lancashire England. Hugh shows birth of 1782 in America and Anne shows birth of 1791 in Ireland. They have a daughter Sarah living with them and she is shown as born 1851 in Preston. On the 1861 I find Sarah living with brother Hugh who is listed as born in 1826 Penrith, Cumberland so I can place the couple in Cumberland in 1826. (I did find the 1871 census showing Jos Hugh in Lancashire).

 Hugh died in 1864 in Preston, Lancashire and Ann died 1861 in Blackburn, Lancashire.

Sarah is aged 12 in 1851.

[Janet123]

Thank you so  much for your responses and, yes, Sarah would have been age 12 in 1851. I show her as an approximate birthdate of 1838.

Also, I had the 1851 census but not the 1841 or 1861. One of the posters found 1841 and they were in Lancaster. I am going to go and check for that one right now. You guys are great.

Do you think there is any chance marriage or birth records can be found?

[Gardener]

Hi

This might be the birth record for Sarah

Births Sep 1838 
SHIELD    Sarah        Lancaster    21   432

from http://www.freebmd.org.uk

In your first post you said "My friend purchased their death records and found that Anne's maiden name was O'Neal.  Hugh died in 1864 in Preston, Lancashire and Ann died 1861 in Blackburn, Lancashire."

I'm surprised that Anne's maiden name was on the death record. Could you post the details of that in case it helps at all?

[Gardener]

Here is John

1861
Blackburn

John Shels 28 Hawker Cumberland
Nancy ditto 28 Lancashire Endfield
M***in ditto dau 8 ditto ditto   
Hugh ditto son 7 Yorkshire Buxton
Sarah Ann dau ditto 5 ditto ditto
Ellen ditto dau 2 Lancashire Blackburn
Elizabeth ditto dau 1 Blackburn

RG9 piece 3094 folio 108


1871
Chatburn
Shaw Lane 14

John Sheilds 38  cotton twirler Cumberland Wigton
Nancy ditto 38 Lancashire, Oakenshaw
Hugh ditto 16 ditto Baxendale
Sarah Ann ditto 14 ditto ditto
Ellen ditto 13 ditto Blackburn
Elizabeth ditto 11 ditto ditto
Alice ditto 3 ditto ditto

RG10 piece 4163 folio 81


Birth places are a bit here and there! I think Hugh jnr is this one

Births Dec 1854   
Shields    Hugh        Haslingden    8e   113

so perhaps his birth place should be Baxenden.

[Gardener]

There is a Hugh Shields in the 1861 census, a lodger born America, unfit to work. His age is down as 24 but I wonder if that was mis-transcribed by the enumerator? The address is 27 Union Street Preston and in 1851 Hugh and Anne were at 5 Union Street.

RG9 piece 3132 folio 87

[Janet123]

Thank you so  much Gardener. I also think that is him on the 1861 census.

I spent last evening looking also and did not find that but I did find something interesting. Do you recall that you found the family living on Sugar House Ally on the 1841 census and a Kelvin family was living there who were born in Ireland? I found Elizabeth "Betty" Sheilds marrying a William Kewin in 1844 so the date was about right. Her father was Hugh Sheilds. The thing is they married and registered to marry in Liverpool. Also, they married in an RC church which might be the explanation for that. Liverpool seems like such a hike though. I did find other records for a family with a Hugh Sheilds in Liverpool so now I am not certain but the coincidence seems to make it likely this was the Elizabeth "Betty" on the 1841 census. The couple moved to America and later census indicates she was born on the Isle of Man. I am a bit confused by that. Wonder where her Mom and Dad were married.