Illman family of Nutfield 1841 and 1851 census

[jeanharris]

Looking for any member of the Illman family in the 1841 and 1851 census for Nutfield.
          Thanks Jean.

[lionelrichie777]

Hi - I'm a descendant from James Illman 1825 of Nutfield. I'm new here so not totally sure how it all works - I can trace from James and Caroline (Lawrence) Illman to myself, but can't find out who James's parents are?

[lionelrichie777]

On his baptism record it says his parents are John and Sarah Illman, but I've been struggling to find who they are - the only John and Sarah Illman I've found on the 1851 census are living in Gloucester -  which could be possible but unlikely as all my other relatives I have found have all come from Sussex/Surrey.

[trish1120]

Welcome to Rootschat lionelrichie777.


I havent looked at Census yet for James but John/Sarah bapt St Peter and St Paul, Nutfield;
JOHN 06 Feb 1825
REBECCA 18 Mar 1827
Abode South Hale
(FreeREG)

To only other child on FreeREG bapt there was;
Hannah Illman Humphrey ILLMAN 04 Mar 1832, Mother SUSAN, base born

+ several possible bapts Parents JOHN/SARAH in Burstow 1806-1820
Father a Farmer.
(FreeREG)

What is the occp of James Father on his M/C?


1841 in Horley, Surrey we have;
John Illman 60 Ag Lab
Sarah Illman 55
Rebecca Illman 14***

John NOT born in County

If I have the right person 1881 Sarah Illman, Widow, is with her Son Thomas born c 1819 Outwood Burstow.
Sarah born 1788 Charlwood (age 93)
One of the bapts I mentioned above fits Thomas 13 Dec 1818
On an earlier bapt Sarah is nee BROWN

1851 we have in Burstow;
Sarah Illman 65 Head Widow Pauper born Charlwood
Thos Illman 32 Son Unm J Shoemaker
Susannah Illman 37 Mar Daughter-in-law Soldiers Wife
Susannah Illman 9 Mths Granddaughter

Thomas married 1854 image on Anc , Father John a Labourer

Trish

[trish1120]

1841 they are in Reigate reg district;

Deaths Mar 1850
ILLMAN  John  Reigate  4 294

GRO has him as INMAN;
INMAN, JOHN age 72******* 
GRO Reference: 1850  M Quarter in REIGATE UNION IN THE COUNTY OF SURREY  Volume 04  Page 294

Marriage 17 March 1805
Burstow, Surrey, England John ILLMAN to Sarah BROWN

SARAH Brown bapt 20 May 1787 St Nicholas, Charlwood
Parents BENJAMIN/JANE

John/Sarah Illman bapt a Benjamin 14 May 1809 (mother nee Brown) and Jane 15 Jan 1815
(FreeREG)
(F/S.Org)

[jeanharris]

I posted ages ago!
Thankyou for the information but not sure why I asked!
My Gx 2 grandfather Josiah Illam was born 1820 Burstow son of Richard and Mary Illman.
The family moved to Strood Kent not sure when but Richard remarried 1835 in Strood.
Best wishes from Perth Australia.🦘🎄🦘

[amondg]

Following up
There is a John Illman and Sarah ?

bap. James 6 February 1825 at Nutfield Surrey * CORRECTED James not John
bap. Rebecca 18 March 1827     ditto
Both have abode of South Hale
I could only find the two children, so it's possible Sarah his wife died young.
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John the father is old enough to be the son of John and Sarah of Burstow they had 10 children found so far.
John 1806 *  possible death 1864
William 1808- 1808
Benjamin 1809 military - to Canada married Susannah Watt, returned to Canada
Sarah 1811
Mary 1813 married William Kennard  1875
Jane 1815 married William Streatfield 1835
Elizabeth 1816  never married
Thomas 1818 married Elizabeth Scott 1854
Ann 1820 married Benjamin Bryant 1849
Charlotte 1823  died 1840 age 18.

[trish1120]

I think Sarah is still alive 1881 and John in 1841 not born in Surrey

[trish1120]

Quote;
Benjamin 1809 military - to Canada married Susannah Watt, returned to Canada

Fits with 1851 Census I posted.

ILLMAN, SUSANNAH mmn    WATT 
GRO Reference: 1850  S Quarter in GRAVESEND AND MILTON  Volume 05  Page 187