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Phillips - missing birth cert/bapstism
« on: Saturday 13 April 13 23:02 BST (UK) »
I have done quite a bit of research on my Phillips relatives and the census links them up well but I would like to have concrete paper evidence of a birth in particular. The birth I am looking at is for a Jane Phillips. Jane would be my great-great-great grandmother.  The census records record her as being born in or around 1855. We have searched as much as we can for baptisms and birth certificates but nothing seems to come up yet her elder and younger siblings do have birth certificates and baptism records.

Jane became Fishlock upon marriage. Her parents were Thomas and Susan/Susannah Phillips, both of Giant's Grave, Briton Ferry. How can I solve this situation?

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Re: Phillips - missing birth cert/bapstism
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 April 13 23:08 BST (UK) »
Hi

Failure to register a birth only became a fineable offence in 1874/5 so numerous births went unregistered prior to then.

Re: baptism - although there may possibly be a record somewhere - it may not have been transcribed.  Welsh transcriptions are much thinner on the ground than English/Welsh ones

You haven't said whereabouts Jane was born - only her parents birthplaces

 
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Re: Phillips - missing birth cert/bapstism
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 April 13 23:13 BST (UK) »
Have you seen the Jane Phillips birth registered in Neath in Sep quarter 1855 (vol 11a, page 413).
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Phillips - missing birth cert/bapstism
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 April 13 23:15 BST (UK) »
Have you seen the Jane Phillips birth registered in Neath in Sep quarter 1855 (vol 11a, page 413).

We have asked, been told it's not her.


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Re: Phillips - missing birth cert/bapstism
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 April 13 23:24 BST (UK) »
Strange 1871 entry - parents Thomas & Susan are shown as 58 & 57 respectively but they have a 3yr old daughter??

Thomas married Susannah Williams in Neath in 1850 as per freebmd
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Re: Phillips - missing birth cert/bapstism
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 April 13 23:27 BST (UK) »
Strange 1871 entry - parents Thomas & Susan are shown as 58 & 57 respectively but they have a 3yr old daughter??

Thomas married Susannah Williams in Neath in 1850 as per freebmd

This is an interesting one isn't it. Their eldest son is a John Phillips (b.1851) and we had found a record of him. I can't make this one out.

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 April 13 23:33 BST (UK) »
I can't see them on the 1861 census though and in 1871 Jane is shown as 14 so birthyear 1856/57
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 April 13 23:35 BST (UK) »
Births

Jane Phillips March qtr 1857 Neath 11a 419
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Re: Phillips - missing birth cert/bapstism
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 April 13 23:37 BST (UK) »
Have you seen the Jane Phillips birth registered in Neath in Sep quarter 1855 (vol 11a, page 413).

We have asked, been told it's not her.
The 1871 says she was born in 1857 - and there's a birth registered in Neath in Mar quarter 1857 (11a, P419). How about this one?

EDIT: Sorry Carole, mine took ages to post so you beat me to it!
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....