Hamilton Money - Who's his Father? Ayrshire, Scotland - 1805 -/+ 2

[DarrylJ]

Hi Ruskie, he actually left us some details. (birth and some death certificates). Albert Money (1938 - 2008) His Father was Thomas W Money (1900 - 1971) His father was George W Money.

Thats what documents we traced, there's siblings involved but going direct route.

I then found George W Money (1871 -1956), who was Thomas's Father. Then, George's Father was John Money (1844 - 1922)... Then we're onto Hamilton Money.. and I started this thread

[JMStrachan]

I had a look on FamilySearch for Money births in Scotland in early 1795 to 1815 and there are quite a few but none for Hamilton and none in Kilmarnock. Only one in Ayrshire (in Ayr) but a few in Renfrewshire to John Mony and Mary Barr. The surname was also written Monie.

I have someone on my tree whose first name was Hamilton, and I don't think it was all that unusual a first name in Scotland. But there is probably a link to a family named Hamilton somewhere.

What was Hamilton's occupation, and do you know his father's? I'm wondering what took them to Scotland. Coal mining in the obvious link between Ayrshire and Durham but not with Norfolk.

As for Trinity House Calendars: FindMyPast has these online (but you have to subscribe). They contain details of seamen and people associated with lighthouses. Your ancestors weren't connected to the sea in any way were they?

[DarrylJ]

Hi Strachan,

I believe Hamiltons Mother was the scottish link which is why he was baptized in Ayrshire, but His dad John (we think) was from Norfolk. Just how they met who know's, but he was young when he wanted to marry.

as for Trinity House Calendars - There was 1 hit, but I didn't look into it further, because no Census information included any jobs linking with that, so that's the reason I didn't look.

[Ruskie]

It is possible that Janet went home to Scotland to give birth (I believe some women did this though I'm not sure how comfortable a trip to Scotland would have been in her condition) - it may explain why Hamilton was born there. Unsure if this theory fits if other children were also born in Scotland (I thnk we found two other possibles?) would she travel up there for several births?  I'm not convinced.

More likely that John was working there. Hamilton was a labourer wasn't he?

THere are lots of seafaring folks living in Norfolk if you are looking for connections related to Trinity House Calendars (is this search in relation to the Moneys?)

[Ruskie]

Hi again Darryl,
When you have the time, could you let us know which certifcates you have and for whom? (not so worried about deaths at this time, just births and marriages  )

I'm just trying to have a bit of a look to see if I come up with the same conclusions as you. 

Also, if you have notes from your Grandad Albert, could you tell us what he said about his family?

For example, you said Albert's father is Thomas W Money (b 1900). I found a birth registration for a Thomas William Money in 1900 in Durham which looks like the right Thomas. Am I right in thinking that Thomas Money married Blanche Webb? Anyway, you said that Thomas W Money's father is George Money b 1871. Is this right? I have looked on the 1901 and 1911 censuses but can't see a Thomas Money with a father George. Do you have any documentation which says that Thomas's father is George?

[DarrylJ]

Yeah i'll try and answer those questions tonight. But Albert has documentation linking Him with Thomas, and I George is mentioned somewhere within those. I'll have to have another look tonight. my mam basically told me everything and I just wrote it down. I can probably take a picture and upload that too - then you'll have the same set of information I started out with.

As for the trinity house, I typed in a name and I had 1 result, but didn't look - I'm on a basic trial you see. I don't think it would be a positive result.

[Ruskie]

Hi Darryl,

I've been doing a bit more digging and I think you've got it right.

It looks like the family moved from Norfolk to Durham around the 1860s/1870s, presumably for work which is usually why families moved in those days. I haven't checked each and every census, but from what I can gather, you seem to have the family relationships correct.

I did manage to find Thomas W b 1900 with father George W b 1871 - they are in the 1901 census mistranscribed as Moury. But it is definitely them. George W looks to have married Mary Todd in 1894. John Money b 1844 married a Susannah (maybe Parnell in 1866).

Something I can't quite work out, is how the family had buildings named after them. Do you know any stories about that? You would expect them to have been a family of some importance to have buildings named after them, whereas your family seem to have been labourers and coalminers. Perhaps they helped to build the buildings and for some reason had them named after them? 

No particular rush for any documentation - I just wanted to check that you'd got it right and from what I can see, it looks like you probably do. It might be wise to check to see if there are any other Moneys with the same names and birth years as yours just to ensure that you are definitely correct, and don't have families and children mixed up. Documentary proof is always necessary of course.

[DarrylJ]

I've looked at information on the money buildings, but can't seem to find much at all. Where would this be located? be interesting to see housing records, I know the family I came from lived in Middle Row, and I believe closer to our time, cornforth Road... (I've been informed Middle Row used to be the road the money buildings were on) But again, I don't know. as Cornforth road is very close to the money buildings too.

It's just what my grandad had said to my mam, that's all I have to go off really.

But likewise, I'd love to get more information with regards to why they were called money buildings.

[DarrylJ]

I've attached some information.

I've emailed Cornforth Library, someone who's researched someone who use to live in the moneybuildings, and someone else who research's the surname Money.

With Hamilton, it seems when he was 20, he tried to marry when his to-be wife, was pregnant and his father stopped it. Presumably John

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