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John T Gowen/ Bramham 1873 name changes....
« on: Sunday 08 September 13 10:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Guys, can any one point me in the right direction with the above please, in those days who would have dealt or officiated with a name change if at all official ? where might I find more info with this in Norfolk. I have a relative with J.T. Gowen his father was a J.T. Gowen, but in his earlier life other members of the family were known as Bramham, John T Gowen was born 1873/4, (age given at death) but he does not appear in the census as Gowen, his children were Alfred , Alice & John T, he born 1906-1940. I would like to know as much as possible about J T Gowen/Bramham ,who he wed, the name change & his death.
Any one Any ideas ???
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John

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Re: John T Gowen/ Bramham 1873 name changes....
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 08 September 13 11:51 BST (UK) »
Hi John,

Apologies if you've already seen this - a guide from the National Archives about change of name
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/change-of-name.htm

Can you give us a bit more background about John Gowen?
You say he was born about 1873 - was this in Norfolk?

I just wondered how you found out the family changed their name, and how you found them on the censuses.

I did find a baptism of a John Gowen, born 1873, but baptised in 1880, by a John Gowen and Mary Ann, at Great Yarmouth.  Father shown as a fisherman.

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Re: John T Gowen/ Bramham 1873 name changes....
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 September 13 06:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Yorkslass, the information I have is bit shaky as far as exact evidence, John T Gowen born 1906 and killed in action 1940, his Obit states from his wife but gives no name to go on, then underneath that one is another from his mother ( again no name) Alf, Alice and in law Arthur.
Some one from Ancestry looked into it some years ago but could not find the family in any census, they did how ever find the family members under the name of Bramham, they also found the marriage of Alice to Arthur in Leeds, I think 1940 ? so the thought of the name change came from the name Bramham to Gowen . It does look though the name John T Gowen has been carried on, my uncle is one his dad  and then his dad I believe all with the same name.
I am trying to chase up any other findings, hope this is any good to you
John

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Re: John T Gowen/ Bramham 1873 name changes....
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 September 13 18:57 BST (UK) »
Hi John,

I looked at your other posts.  Yorkshire BMD does have the John T Gowen, born 1906 at Hull - have you sent for his birth certificate?

The John Gowen who was born 1873, (probably John's father) does appear on a couple of censuses, but I can find his family from 1881.

The 1881, where the family are living at Row 31, Great Yarmouth
(Ref. RG11 1912/ Folio 134 page 37)
Mother Mary Ann is there, shown as a Smacksman’s wife, but not her husband.
If he was a fisherman,  he may well have been at sea when the census was taken.
John seems to be their eldest aged  8, then Edmund, 5 and Emily, 2.

By the time of the 1891 census, the family has grown (Ref. RG12 1501, folio 149 page 8)
Now living at no. 2, Row 30, Great Yarmouth
Again, father not at home, but mother Mary Ann, shown as fisherman’s wife, aged 39
John,  fisherman, 19, Edmund 16, Emily 13, Hannah, 10, William, 6, Frederick, 4 and Alice, 1.

For some reason, they’re all shown as being born Norwich - but it must be the same family.

In 1901, the family appear to have moved to Hull.

Living at 60, Manchester Street  (Ref RG13/4479 Folio 110 page 27)
Mary Ann Gowen, mother, age 45 ( she may have taken a few years off!)  born Norwich,
Hannah, 19 born Yarmouth,
William Henry, 16, born Yarmouth,
Alice Maud, 12, born Yarmouth
George Robert, 6, born Hull.

I couldn’t find either John, but as they’re fishermen, it’s not unusual for them not to be on the censuses.

Haven’t found them yet in 1911, but still looking.

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Binks, Essex
Wilcock, Lancashire
Kettlewell, Yorkshire


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Re: John T Gowen/ Bramham 1873 name changes....
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 September 13 11:18 BST (UK) »
Hi John,

Just noticed my last message has a smiley where there should be a number!
Don't know what happened there ...

It should read "Page 8"

I'm afraid after searching with every variation I could think of, I couldn't find any of the family in 1911.

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Re: John T Gowen/ Bramham 1873 name changes....
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 September 13 20:22 BST (UK) »
Hi, As Terry Wogan says "is it me". I too cannot find the family of Gowens in1911--yet--they must be there somewhere. What I don't get is the connection between Gowens and Bremhams. Why do you think there is a name change?? The Gowens family are as follows,
John Gowen C1854 was born in Gt Yarmouth
John Gowen married Mary Ann Eary march 1/4 1871 Gt Yarmouth. They appear together on 1871 census RG10 1789 76 30-  John is a Mariner
1881 census- no John but Mary and 3 children
1891 census-no John but Mary with 7 children
1901 census-no John but Mary with 4 children
Believe John SENIOR DIED aged 61 Hull 1915 and Mary Ann aged 72 in Hull.

John Gowen b1873. Believe he married either Louisa Draper or Elizabeth Wigg 1895 Sculcoates
John Thomas Gowen born 1906-1940 believe he married Barbara Postle and had 2 daughters,1938 & 1940

John Thomas Bramham--born 1866 Goole-1942 Keighley
Appears on 1891/1901/1911 census with an Emily who I don't think he married-not shown on 1911 census. They had a son John Thomas Bramham born 1902 in Hull-cant find a death.

What I am trying to get my head around is where is the connection-they appear to be 2 separate families, but please shoot me if I am missing something.

John