Wineyates/Baker

[0121mariec]

Hi
My husband is trying to find a marriage between Frances (Fanny) Winyates and Samuel Baker.  We think they got married between 1850 and 1860 around the Birmingham area.  We have found them
in 1861 and 1871 censuses (listed as Balter in1861!) but no luck in finding their marriage. The birth certs of the children have their mother's maiden name as winyates. Any help would be gratefully received as we have hit the dreaded brick wall.
Regards
Marie

[CaroleW]

When and where were they both born

When & where was their first child born

Found the 1861 entry - first child Samuel born 1853/54 Birmingham

Samuel snr  b 1833 and Fanny 1836 - both Birmingham

[0121mariec]

Hi
The census shows that Samuel was born 1831 and Fanny (frances) 1835 in Birmingham. The children were also born in Birmingham named Samuel 1855,Arthur 1857, Fanny 1860,Amelia 1863, George A 1865, and Walter W 1868
Thanks for any help
Marie

[lizdb]

Well, it must be after 1851, as she is 16 and with widowed father Emmanuel on 1851

HO107 2056  307  50

(Frances Whinyates)

[jim1]

It looks like they didn't.
Nothing on B'ham PR's, FreeBMD or IGI.

[0121mariec]

Hi
Am I having a senior moment but I can't find Emmanuel Whinyates in 1851! What am I doing wrong?
  Marie

[lizdb]

Think it was indexed Whingates in Ancestry.

Just put on Frances bn 1836 =/- 1 year Birmingham, and look through the choice of what comes up.

[CaroleW]

Probably nothing but I'll post it anyway

Dec 1852 marriage in Birmingham and 2 of the people on the page are Emma Whinyates and Samuel Barnett

There are 2 x 1861 entries for a Samuel & Emma Barnett neither of whom have any connection to Birmingham

[CaroleW]

In 1851 Emmanuel is shown as female and is Emma as per a "distant relative" who has notified a transcription error.  Aged ?? 36 b Staffordshire