Marriage licence, Llanfrynach, 1834 - Thomas DAVIES to Mary DAVIES

[Deirdre784]

I was wondering why a licence (difference in age, the fact that he was a parish clerk ), but hoping it 'might' give a clue as to whether he is the Thomas Davies aged 65 at the White Swan inn in 1841 and the Thomas Davies buried in Llanfrynach in 1843 (aged 69), and if he is the father or grandfather of Thomas Davies born in 1837.   

[osprey]

sorry, off hunting for an image to show what you get

 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01frr/ 

Just seen your reply, not wanting to wait for the banns to be read, licence was faster, or possibly not wanting other people to know & possibly gossip about their marriage. Don't think parish clerk would have anything to do with it. I have a couple of parish clerks in my lines, one married 3 times (from memory, may have been 4), his first marriage was by licence, when he wasn't a parish clerk, but there was just about 9 months between the marriage & the baptism of their first child.

 

[Deirdre784]

Thanks Osprey, very useful. But as you say, may not prove - or disprove - anything. The marriage was on 24 October 1834 and their daughter Mary was baptised on 27 Sep 1835 which looks ok, unless she was 3 months old when she was baptised... 

[MarMnkly]

Hi Deirdre,
if Thomas does turn out to be a widow rather than a bachelor, there is a possible marriage in Llanfrynach in 1796. It caught my eye because this Thomas is a smith (presume blacksmith). I cant see the marriage cert though, but the banns read as follows:
banns of marriage between Thomas Davies of this parish, Smith and Margaret Thomas of the same parish, spinster.
There is a burial record of a Margaret Davies in Llanfrynach in August 1834 aged 64. I cant see another one between this date and 1813 (on FindMyPast).
Mar 
 

[Deirdre784]

Haven't been online much today Mar, but that looks good doesn't it thanks.

He didn't hang around though before marrying Mary ; and how could he claim to be a bachelor only 2 months later . Also unlikely that he had young children from that marriage to necessitate a quick re-marriage, and they weren't with him in 1841.

The early marriage also suggests he was from Llanfrynach but there's no baptism...   

Edited to add: the Llanfrynach marriages only start from 1813 on FindMyPast   Lovely handwriting on some of the banns; annoyingly the banns don't mention if he was a bachelor, but great to see his occupation. 

[MarMnkly]

Looks like Mary Davies (mother of Mary Davies on 1851 census) dies in May 1851 aged 90 residing in Llanfrynach and is buried in Llanhamlach (which she gives as place of birth on census)

[Deirdre784]

Thanks Mar ,

Looks like her husband was buried at Llanhamlach too, 16 May 1822, aged 62, a labourer of Llechfane - Llechfane was daughter Mary's residence in your reply number 5, so all fitting together nicely.

Deirdre

[Deirdre784]

Looks like I'll need to visit Powys archives to go any further back; they have earlier registers of baptisms, from 1776 (which sadly might just exclude the older Thomas, born in 1774 if you use his age at death, but should find any children born to him and first wife Margaret) and marriages, from 1754, than have been put onto FindMyPast

I'll put a new lookup request on here though just in case anyone is visiting the archives soon

[Deirdre784]

Had the 2 certificates this morning

The Thomas 1837 birth is fine, as expected son of Thomas, publican and blacksmith, and Mary nee Davies, White Swan, Llanfrynach.

The 1843 death certificate is OK, but sadly doesn't prove whether he is the father or grandfather of 1837 Thomas. Thomas died at the White Swan, and was an agricultural - smith. The informant was Mary Davies, INMATE, White Swan, which sounds strange. Why (or how) an inmate at the pub and could an inmate register a death? I've emailed the registrar's office to check the informant info.

Marriage licence ordered from NLW 

Planning a day out to Llanfrynach next week which will be very interesting.

Deirdre