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John DANIELS
« on: Wednesday 14 October 15 15:18 BST (UK) »
According to his baptism record, John DANIELS was born 3 Dec 1815 and baptised on 24 Dec 1815 at Edmonton, Middx. His father was William DANIELS, a labourer of Winchmore Hill. His mother was Rebecca DANIELS (née HOBBS).

There is a marriage recorded in 1840 between John DANIELS and Elizabeth GRANT (Q2 1840 Edmonton 3 60). The couple then disappear from the record until 1861.

In 1861 John DANIELS (labourer, 45, b Hackney, Middx) and his wife Gertrude DANIELS (40, b Germany) are living at Abbot Street, Hackney. They have 4 children: Mary (11, b Germany), Elizabeth (5, b Hackney), Sarah (2, b Hackney) and G William (0, b Hackney).

In 1871 John DANIEL (army pensioner, artillery, 56, b Edmonton, Middx) and his wife Elizabeth DANIEL (50, b Germany) are living at Cottage Place Woods Yard, Hackney with their son George (10, b Hackney).

In 1881 John DANIELS (labourer, 66, b Edmonton, Middx) and his wife Elizabeth (61, b Germany) are living at Evelyn Cottages, Hackney.

In 1891 John DANIELL (army pensioner, 76, b Edmonton, Middx) and his wife Elizabeth (71, b Germany) are living at Margaret Street, Hackney.

In 1901 John DANIELS (living on own means, 86, b Tottenham, Middx) and his wife Elizabeth (81, b Hackney, Middx) are living at Margaret Street, Hackney.

There is a death recorded for John DANIELS in 1902 (Q4 1902 Hackney 1b 373).

Assuming that despite some variations, all the census reports refer to the same couple, I would like to find out where they were in 1841 and 1851. Moreover, is Gertrude of 1861 the Elizabeth recorded in later years. And is this the Elizabeth of the 1840 wedding?

It would appear that the couple were in Germany for a period, as their daughter Mary was born in Germany in c1850. Would this birth have coincided with military service?

Any help with clarification, gratefully accepted.

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Re: John DANIELS
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 October 15 15:32 BST (UK) »
I wouldn't be sure of that marriage without a childs birth cert to confirm mothers maiden name.

If eldest child Mary was 11 in 1861 and was born Germany, and the mother was also born Germany, it looks as if Johns time on Germany may well have spanned the 1851 census, and he could well have married there.
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Re: John DANIELS
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 October 15 19:44 BST (UK) »
The 1840 marriage is between John DANIELS (father John) and Ann BURBERY so not yours.

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Re: John DANIELS
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 October 15 20:24 BST (UK) »
Looking at it from another angle.  Are you descended from one of their children?  If so - the safest way would be to use that child for tracing purposes

If you are not a descendant - what positive info do you have of him - do you know for certain he survived infancy?

 
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Re: John DANIELS
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 October 15 10:28 BST (UK) »
I am a direct descendant of his brother, Charles Daniels. So theoretically he could have died in infancy.

It would, however, be reasonable to think he joined the army as a young man, as many others did, and returned to the North London area after his military service with the wife he met in Germany. In any case, I would like to check that scenario out.

Perhaps I would be better posting in a sub-forum specialising in military matters.

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Re: John DANIELS
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 October 15 11:33 BST (UK) »
Posts on other boards-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=732985.0;topicseen
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=732986.0;topicseen

Something else to keep in mind as a possibility- since you don't have a marriage date it may be that the child Mary was a daughter of his wife's before they married.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: John DANIELS
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 October 15 11:59 BST (UK) »
Aghadowey - very true