Death Record - Edwin Dunn

[Benody1921]

I'm looking for information, mainly death record, for my great great grandad, Edwin Dunn. He was born about 1850 in Staffordshire.

Married to Betsy Brooks in 1872. In the 1881 census he is listed as a Bucket Maker and liVing in Lye, Worcestershire. I cannot find him in the 1891 census.

My great grandad was George Dunn. Born 1884 in Wollescote, Worcestershire. In the 1891 census he is living as a visitor, not with his parents. His mother is listed as married but living with her mother and Edwin is not listed.

In the 1901 and 1911 census, Betsy is listed as a Widow.

In 1915, George was married. He lists Edwin as his father and his occupation is a Master Iron Worker. Edwin is not listed as deceased on the certificate. Anytime I've had a certificate and the father is deceased it is written in brackets under his name.

 I haven't been able to find a death record for Edwin at all. I was hoping someone would be able to help me out with it.

[Benody1921]

I should mention that there was a rumour that George was adopted but within the family. Perhaps that's why he is a visitor to the Hyron family in 1891?

 Also, George (and 2 of his children) had Alzheimers disease. Is it possible that Edwin had it and lived in a hospital? It's reaching but I'm at a dead end with him. I've read that sometimes people will list themselves as Widows or Widowers if they are separated from their spouses. Could that be the case?

[jim1]

Well you seem to have slipped down the board a bit.
I notice in 1911 he was a Navy reservist meaning he was previously in the RN.
This is where his service record is which should give NOK.
If it's his mother then you know for sure his father was dead by then.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iju/ 
As an aside George served WW1 as a Stoker 1st. Class & received the 14/15 Star, BW & V Medals.

[Benody1921]

Well you seem to have slipped down the board a bit.
I notice in 1911 he was a Navy reservist meaning he was previously in the RN.
This is where his service record is which should give NOK.
If it's his mother then you know for sure his father was dead by then.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iju/

Thank you! I have this record saved on Ancestry. Unfortunately it doesn't give a NOK. It's very frustrating.

I wonder if his father left them and remarried. I'm not sure how to figure that out though.

[jim1]

I can see why you think George was adopted. it would highly unusual for someone to have a child so long after marriage.
As you probably know there are 3 George Dunn births in 1884 which is going to be expensive. Alternatively you could go to Dudley RO & look at the Parish Registers.
I found this death for an Edwin Dunn the right age in Staffs. which you might have seen already. Of course he could be one of the others.
Sep 1921
Dunn  Edwin  71  W.Bromwich  6b 734

[Benody1921]

I ordered the certificate for the George Dunn born in the 3rd quarter. If I'm not mistaken, the other two George Dunns were born in the 2nd Quarter.  It may not be the correct George Dunn. I tried ordering it from the Dudley RO and they said my information did not match their records. I ordered it from the GRO anyways. I'm hoping the birth date will match and show me who the mother and father might have been; my hope is that it will show a family member.

I live in Canada so I'm not able to go to any of the ROs. It's very disappointing  for me. All the good stuff is too far away.

I want to look into the Edwin Dunn that died in 1921. I also need to look into any Edwin Dunn marriages that may have happened after 1891.

[jim1]

It would have been unusual for an ordinary couple to divorce at that time as it was expensive.
Most couples just split up & either never remarried or waited for the other one to die.
There are those of course that married bigamously.

[Benody1921]

Interesting. I wonder if he simply packed up and moved back to Staffordshire. According to the UK Midlands Trade Directory I found on Ancestry he was a Bucket Maker and galvanizer in Lye up until either 1891 or 1892.

Also, in 1891 he is on George's admission record to the Crabb Street Infant School. I haven't been able to get a hold of that record to see how many years George was there and if Edwin signed for other years.

[jim1]

I'm hoping the birth date will match and show me who the mother and father might have been;

Parents names aren't included on death certs. & in 1921 only ages as they were known by the informant.