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Re: Christmas Present Advice
« Reply #9 on: Monday 12 December 16 13:26 GMT (UK) »
I disagree with your conclusion about Joseph's parents (or at least I think I disagree with it)!

Joseph was 51 in 1841 and 60 in 1851, which ties up exactly with the baptism in Arlesey on 20 Jun 1790 of Joseph, son of Thomas and Mary, so I'm sure we agree so far.

Where we part company is the interpretation of the children baptised in Arlesey with parents Thomas and Mary. I too drew up a list of these children, starting in 1788 with Edward, followed by your Joseph in 1790. It hit me that there was another Edward in 1798 but no burial of an Edward son of Thomas and Mary in the ten years between. Why would they name a second Edward if the first was still alive? Two different families is one answer. When I found that Thomas and Mary Lyne didn't marry until April 1793 (with Thomas being a bachelor, not a widower), with three children already having been baptised up to nearly five years earlier, my conclusion was that there were probably two Thomas and Mary couples in Arlesey, the earlier pair possibly being Thomas Albon and Mary Toaken who married in Shillington in  1788.

And it's trying to prove that hypothesis that I've been working on over the weekend (and I'll probably be asking for John's help in Bedford Archives when I finalise what it is I need eg marriage witnesses which the transcripts don't show.)

I think that Thomas, the father of Joseph, died in Arlesey aged 62 in 1830, whereas the other Thomas, son of Abraham, was alive in both the 1841 census aged 70 ie 70-75, and in 1851 aged 83

It would help if I could find either Mary Toaken or Mary Lyne!

What do you think?

David
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Re: Christmas Present Advice
« Reply #10 on: Monday 12 December 16 13:58 GMT (UK) »
John

If you get a moment in the next couple of weeks between Christmas shopping, putting up decorations and holding glasses of red wine, if you're going anywhere near the Archives, could you very kindly pop in and see if you can find the following (Christmas wish list follows)

Arlesey PR
Burial 13 Aug 1837 Mary Albon
Burial 4 Feb 1821 Mary Albon age 46
Burial 8 Jan 1830 Thomas Albon age 62
Burial Apr-Jun 1851 Thomas Albone age 82
Marriage 2 Apr 1793 Thomas Albon & Mary Lyne. Witnesses?

Shillington PR
Marriage 8 Jul 1788 Thomas Albon and Mary Toaken. Witnesses?

Thanks a lot

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
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Re: Christmas Present Advice
« Reply #11 on: Monday 12 December 16 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Arlesey PR
Burial 13 Aug 1837 Mary Albon
Burial 4 Feb 1821 Mary Albon age 46
Burial 8 Jan 1830 Thomas Albon age 62
Burial Apr-Jun 1851 Thomas Albone age 82

Hello David; All of the above are on the NBI ....  the last one being on 30 Apr 1851

When you say 'see if you can find them' are you suggesting they may not be there?
The first 3 are on the BFHS Surnames Index for the year

Using the new GRO index search; the first Mary as ALBONE registered Biggleswade RD in Sept qtr 1837; suggests an age of 75

I will check out marriages for witnesses whenever... I have to email & say I'm coming in, they get a bit tetchy if you just turn up

Joyeux Noel...
Cheers john   
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Re: Christmas Present Advice
« Reply #12 on: Monday 12 December 16 15:23 GMT (UK) »
Thanks John

I took the burials from the NBI but wondered if the PR entry gave any more detail. Anything that would help me to separate them. I don't suppose for a minute though that one would have been described as an ag lab and the other a retired brain surgeon.

I got Thomas Albone's death age as 82 from the new GRO search and have no idea why I didn't try the same with Mary's 1837 burial! Senility. I reckon then that the 75 year old Mary ie born 1762 was probably Mary Toaken who married in Shillington in 1788, and the Mary who was buried in 1821 age 46 ie born 1875 was Mary Lyne who married in 1793

No rush

Thanks again

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Christmas Present Advice
« Reply #13 on: Monday 12 December 16 22:35 GMT (UK) »
Well as you say the two Edwards are a bit of a problem. So there are two Thomas'
 and two Marys. I cant find a Mary Toaken on the IGI at all, and although there are several Mary Lynes or Lynn none of them are born in Arlesey. Sadly I kept my findings, such as they are, but not all the scribbles and notes that led to them.
It seems harder to find things on family search now than years ago.

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Re: Christmas Present Advice
« Reply #14 on: Monday 12 December 16 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Looking again on Family search I see that there is a Mary Lyne married to Thomas Albone with James as their son, so this might be where I got the James and Elizabeth Devereaux from originally. Again all born Arlesey.

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Re: Christmas Present Advice
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 13 December 16 10:21 GMT (UK) »
I cant find a Mary Toaken on the IGI at all.


I wonder if Toaken is a mistranscription, or just wrong in the parish register, as this is the only Toaken in Beds, and there are only three in England on the IGI. Not many more for Token either.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Christmas Present Advice
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 13 December 16 10:44 GMT (UK) »
There's 2 trees on Genes Reunited that have Mary Toaken, one has her born 1770 Arlesey, the other in 1768 no place. No other Toaken names exist in all other GrU trees. One of them tree users has Thomas Albon born 1765 Arlesey & the other Thomas Albon born 1768 Henlow. Both have lots of Albon (born Arlesey) names 1780 +/- 20 years.

There's a few trees having Mary Lynes/Lyne/Lynn/Lynne born Arlesey c1768/1770
 
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Re: Christmas Present Advice
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 15 December 16 09:00 GMT (UK) »
The first GrU user has same name as the person who has logged this info.... 

http://www.thetreeofus.net/2/50674.htm

.... suggesting Thomas's parents were Samuel & Mary

You may have already found & know of it
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Partridge - North Beds; Northants & Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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