The elusive Michael Lee

[pomp]

Now marking mocks and itching to have a look :-)

[heywood]

1891 4355/41/39

Tim Shea is lodging with an O’Toole family at 19 Iron Row.
He dies in 1896

[heywood]

Just to say that I have found the Catherine Shea birth

June 1863 Bedwelty

Catherine Shee. On GRO she is Catherino Shee mmn Lee

So I would say that Catherine Leahy, daughter of Timothy and Mary,  married John Shea and children have mmn Lee. This at least ties with Michael Leahy/Lee name.

Still a bit lost with the Holmes situation but have a sequence in my head which would be Catherine Shea being the partner of Thomas Holmes but not the evidence through children’s births 

The problem is that Catherine Holmes senior (1881) could fit with Catherine Leahy Shea re age and place of  birth but all this has nothing to support it.

I am sorry that this is difficult to follow. I digressed with the Shea- John and Michael and have tried to modify those posts.

[heywood]

Quick note I have, I think , found Catherine Holmes - not Catherine Leahy, I don’t think.

Will post later.

[pomp]

Quick note I have, I think , found Catherine Holmes - not Catherine Leahy, I don’t think.

Will post later.

If you can think of any more certificates for me to order, to help confirm lineage please let me know: pretty spot on last time

[heywood]

This one is hard 

My supposition is that Thomas Holmes who reported the deaths is ‘grandson in law’ as stated on one of them and this is because he is ‘married’ to Timothy and Mary’s granddaughter, Catherine.
I can’t find their marriage nor births of their children as Holmes.
To be honest I’m not sure though.

Thomas and Catherine Holmes are here:
1891 4359/25/13
Thomas shows as born Maesteg in 1891

1901 4937/33/16. And 1911 census.

Previously posted by osprey
1881 5242/26/4
Iron Row

Catherine Holmes 40 yrs
Thomas Holmes   18 yrs
Jane Holmes 14 yrs (or possibly Anne)
Mary Holmes 12 yrs
William Holmes   9 yrs

1871 5425 /11/16

Robert Holmes   40 yrs
Catarina Holmes 30 yrs
Thomas Holmes   11 yrs b Maesteg
Jane Holmes 4yrs
Mary Ann Holmes 2yrs

It’s hard to find births or marriages for these people.

[heywood]

A likely Catherine Holmes snr here with her daughter Jane Kelly.

1891 4355/42/42
32 Iron Row

William Kelly 26 yrs
Jane Kelly   21 yrs
Mary Ann Kelly   2 yrs
Catherine Holmer 50 yrs
Elizabeth Kelly 16 yrs
Catherine and Elizabeth are both Holmes on census

Again, I can’t see a marriage (wondering if it is me) but little Mary Ann had mmn Holmes

[heywood]

Something to check and consider

December 1861 marriage Bedwellty John Shea and Catherine Leahy

1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55C-59Z

Children Timothy and Francis and Mary mmn Lee but can’t see Catherine’s birth  b abt 1862

There is a death for John Shea aged 40 yrs in June quarter 1881

Maybe here

1881 5248/111/5

Workhouse, Bedwellty

John Shea Pauper widower 40 yrs  Puddler b Tredegar
Mary Shea 9yrs Pauper b Tredegar

[heywood]

Still working on the supposition that Timothy Lee’s granddaughter, Catherine Shea ‘married’ Thomas Holmes.

Marriage
Crickhowell  June 1883 vol 11b Page 183
Thomas Casey and Catherine Shea are on the same page. There are two other spouses and I have not confirmed this marriage.

As you know, there do not seem to be any Holmes births in Bedwellty district to match the Holmes children on the censuses.
There are, however, matching first names for  Casey with mmn Shea.

I wonder if this is the family? Did Catherine marry Thomas Casey but then live with Thomas Holmes. Was Thomas Holmes really Thomas Casey?

I haven’t checked back re that Robert and Catherine Holmes.