Florence Nightingale

[spendlove]

Hi,

Think you will find that the Partenope as in "Frances Partenope Nightingale" does not originate from
a family name but is to do with where she was born i.e. Naples.

The Hurt name may have some value as the Hurt Family resided at Alderwasley just across the River Derwent
from "Lea Hurst" the summer residence of the Nightingales, this said there are many people in Derbyshire with
the surname Hurt who have no connection to the Hurts of Alderwasley.

You need to work backwards with your genealogy to see where it takes you, if you arrive at a connection
that would be wonderful.

Spendlove

[Valda]

Hi

Frances Parthenope Nightingale became the second wife of Sir Harry Verney in 1858 and assumed the title Lady Verney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Parthenope_Verney

There doesn't seem to have been any children from this marriage, though there were four sons and three daughters from Sir Harry Verney's first marriage which took place in 1835.
The Verney family home was Claydon House in Middle Claydon Buckinghamshire.


Regards

Valda

[Greengrb]

Hi Again! 
Thanks for your help and guidance!  I've got somewhere but have hit something of a dead end!

I worked backward and have the following names now - just wondering if anyone can see a link to the Verney's that I've missed!  I've got Frederick Hurt marries Edith Kay in approx 1918 (+- 8 yrs).  As far as I know, the 'nightingale' link is through the Kay side of things rather than the Hurt side.  The Kays apparently lived in Gorsey Bank and the Wirksworth area.  As well as Edith Kay, there was a Dora and a Kathleen.  I haven't been able to find Edith Kay's parents (I found some likely contenders living in Derby but at this stage, I think the Kays were in Wirksworth).

I'm still no closer to any possible link with Frances Parthenope Verney / Nightingale.  Looks less and less likely the further back I go.  Any ideas very welcome (and I'm still digging this end but am not very good at it!!).

Thanks again if anyone has any ideas.
G

[Valda]

Hi

The marriage certificate will give details of Edith's father and her age which will help with finding her DOB and which Edith she may be on the 1911 and possibly the 1901 census.

Marriages Sep 1919 
Hurt  Frederick W  Kay  Belper  7b 1824   
Kay  Edith  Hurt  Belper  7b 1824


You can order the marriage certificate from the General Registry Office

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


Regards

Valda

[spendlove]

Hi Greengrb

Before you dash off for the Marriage Certificate:-

Edith Kay Baptised 20.5.1896 Wirksworth Parish Church
Dora Kay    "           23.2.1898     "              "           "

They were the daughters of John Kay and Fanny Jane Wragg who married March Q 1894
Belper Registration District   Belper 7b 838. (Wirksworth comes in the Belper Reg. dist)

John was a Tape Weaver living Gorsey Bank.

Baptism info  - http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/Menu.htm#search
This is a wonderful site if your ancestors had connections to Wirksworth Area.

Civil Marriage -  http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
You will also discover the Birth Registration on this site for the 2 children, again in Belper District.

Hope this helps.
Spendlove

[spendlove]

Hi,

Have found them in the 1901 Census
RG13/3234 Folio 58 Pg 17 Wirksworth
NOTE THE SURNAME IS WRITTEN  -   KEY

Key  John   M   26   Tape Weaver     Wirksworth
"  Fanny J   Wife 25                          Brimington
"  Edith       dau   4                           Wirksworth

Dora is not listed with them, however by 1911 Census she appear to be back with them,
however to confirm this you would have to buy credits to obtain full details of this Census.

The 1901 Census is fully transcribed on the Wirksworth Site.

Cannot find Dora on 1901 Census - Can anyone else?  Her details should be
Dora Kay/Key born 1898 Wirksworth, Derbyshire.


Spendlove.

[Greengrb]

Wow! Thanks so much for all of your help! It's so exciting!! I'm hopefully going to talk to my grandmother (daughter of Edith and Frederick hurt) tomorrow (I've been trying but haven't managed to get in touch with her yet! She should be able to fill in some blanks). I'll post what I find out. 

I've now had the thought that perhaps the nightingale story may have been transfered from the hurt side to the kay side?? It does seem like they would have been more likely to mix.

Anyway, thanks again for all of your excellent info and help! I really appreciate it!
I'll keep you posted with anything interesting that turns up.
G 

[Greengrb]

Hi Again!

Having talked to the family some more, it seems that the connection is probably on the Hurt side, rather than the Kay side!  I have found out that my aunt was even named Gale because of Nightingale but no one can actually pinpoint a relationship.  I wonder if anyone knows if Frederick Hurt  (Belper  7b 1824) was connected to the Hurts of Alderwasley.   Also, I've been looking through the Verney line to see if I can see any connections to the Hurt line, but can't find any.  The dates of Frederick Hurt are now contemporary with Florence so if there is a connection, I figure it can't go much further back than this.

I may be missing something!!
If anyone has access to records about the above, I'd be really interested to find out.
Thanks again!
G

[spendlove]

Hi,
There are a number of things you need to do to ensure you have your own correct line.

1.  Purchase marriage certificate for Frederick W. Hurt = Edith Kay September Quarter 1919 Belper 7b 1824
    This will give you the father of bride and groom.

2.  When you have this, it should match the Kay/Key family previously given from the Wirksworth Records.

It looks as if your Frederick W. Hurt was born in Derby June Q 1896  Derby 7b 570
If this is the correct Frederick, then his Father should be:-

1901 Census
85 Whitecross Street, Derby

Hurt  William   Head   M   34   Paper Warehouse man     Worker            Derby
"       Sarah M  Wife    M   26                                                                    Woodville, Leic.
"   Frederick W  son    s     4                                                                    Derby
"  Arthur D        son     s     2                                                                       "
"  Harry  N         son    s     3 months                                                           "

William Hurt = Sarah Maria Dorling  June Q 1894   Derby 7b 777

1891 Census
45 Devonshire Street, Derby

Hurt  William   Head   M   50  Malster             Thurgarton, Notts
"       Marie      wife     m   51                          Bleasby, Notts
"   WILLIAM     son     S    24   Porter              Derby
 "  Walter        son     S    19 Boot Repairer    Derby
"   Francis        son     S    17  Printers Labourer  "
"   Joseph       son      S    16                               "       (Paralysed from Childhood)
"   Herbert      son            13   Errand Boy           "
"   John           son            10   Scholar                  "
"   Emily          dau              7                             Wirksworth, Derbyshire


Florence Nightingale was born 12th May 1820 and died 13th August 1910 in London.

If there is any connection with the Nightingale family, then I think it must lie with the Kay/Key family from
Wirksworth.

Spendlove