John Duffy, born Roscommon, Ireland 1861

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In Latin
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Thank you. Explains my missing it whilst looking for John

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For information

Lancashire opc http://www.lan-opc.org.uk doesn’t have many Catholic records but is adding to them.

There are two records - In Latin

Randolphus Duffy baptised 10th July 1898 parents John and Alice  formerly Hassal
Godparents John Edward Hassal and Sabina Monaghan

39th July 1899 same church
Gertrude Duffy - mother now Elizabeth
Godparent John Edward Hassall and Mary Ann Cunnliffe

I have anglicised the names.

It is Latin. The names have different endings according to the position in the sentence - forgotten most from school but the register shows Joannem  because he is the one to whom baptism is given. Dad’s name ends in ‘is’ because it is ‘of John’.
This might help
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/latin-irish-parish-registers.html

Going back to the baptisms I posted, I think ‘ Randolphus’ is Harold who was born September quarter 1898 with mmn Hassall.

Thanks. Aware of Latin ie early speak in records, but it just didn't dawn on me that I was hitting the era of Latin as other lines of the same era are still in English. Certainly don't understand 'to whom' and 'is of' lol - more reading up to do - but thank you.

With the baptisms posted - I currently know John & Mary &/or Elizabeths children to be:
James             1885
John               1887
Charles           1889
William           1891
Joseph            1893
John Edward   1894
Mary Francis   1897
Henry             1900

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Gro shows other  Duffy/Hassall - I wonder  are they the same family?
Harold 1898
Gertrude 1899
Lucy 1902
Alice 1904
Elizabeth 1906
John 1908
Frederick 1910

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Possible Deaths on Free BMD

Harold 1898 0yrs
Gertrude 1901 2yrs
Alice 1905 1yr

Can’t see the others 

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Gro shows other  Duffy/Hassall - I wonder  are they the same family?
Harold 1898
Gertrude 1899
Lucy 1902
Alice 1904
Elizabeth 1906
John 1908
Frederick 1910

I am not aware but Hassal was the maiden name of Elizabeth so ....?? My parents must have known !! - I know they recall Henry (1900) as having met when my parents were courting in the 1950's but I have not had mentioned any of the 'fresh' names above. I will try to investigate.

I have searched GRO for the John (1861) children I do know and have found it responds from James (1885) through to my granddad (1893) - all as Hawthorn (Mothers maiden). When I have searched John Edward / Mary Francis & Henry - at the moment - no records .......I will try Manchester Records rather than Salford for them...

What a great tool though for finding maiden names

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Possible Deaths on Free BMD

Harold 1898 0yrs
Gertrude 1901 2yrs
Alice 1905 1yr

Can’t see the others 

This crossed my last reply -

Perhaps they were all John and Elizabeth's and all died leaving Henry the 'youngest' known to my parents in the 50's ? That would be sad.

You are really helping, thank you 

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No I can’t see Mary Frances and Henry 

Now this is a puzzle

Birth

Henry Duffy 1900 Manchester mmn Holyoak

Mary Frances Holyoake Manchester 1897 no maiden name

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Mary Frances would be born before the second marriage.

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No I can’t see Mary Frances and Henry 

Now this is a puzzle

Birth

Henry Duffy 1900 Manchester mmn Holyoak

Mary Frances Holyoake Manchester 1897 no maiden name

I have in my records :

Henry Duffy
Born: 1900
Manchester
Died 1966 Manchester

1911 census shows all three of them with John & Elizabeth

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1Z-8KG

Not aware of another wife !! - 'holyoak' ??