Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851

[fionajka]

Hi All,
Now that I have narrowed down the years between which William ARNOLD more than likely would have been transported to Australia I was trying to verify a convict record that has been linked to him - one William ARNOLD arrived in 1845 to Van Diemens land onboard the Pestonjee Bomanjee, but his conduct record states that he is 18 years old. Which can't be correct as he is a married man with 5 children.

I know that in 1841 he is listed in the Cutsdean Census as a hatter with wife Elizabeth and 3 children. 1843 and 1845 his wife had two further children. In the 1851 Cutsdean Census, wife Elizabeth is Head of the household and listed as a Widow. In 1853 she and all children immigrate to Hobart Tasmania Jas Radcliffe as the applicant.

So upon searching the Tasmanian Convict Names Index, and other sources I reach a dead end, presumably because the name may be not listed / transcribed as ARNOLD. Alternatives searched have been ARNOL / ARNEL / YARNOLD / YARNELL.

So I was wondering if there are any court records or transportation records at the beginning end that could shed some light on this man's move to Australia.

Cheers,
Fiona

[Jamjar]

What makes you think he was transported?

What were his parents’ names?

Jamjar

[wivenhoe]

"William ARNOLD arrived in 1845 to Van Diemens land onboard the Pestonjee Bomanjee,"
 
This convict is 18 years old, a weaver, with native place Bermondsey.

If you are researching this family......

".. In 1853 she (Elizabeth ARNOLD) and all children immigrate to Hobart Tasmania Jas Radcliffe as the applicant."

Can you name the children please. Why do you believe that Elizabeth ARNOLD is the widow of a convict?

[wivenhoe]

"Great Tasmania"  arr. 27 Jan 1857
ARNOLD Elizabeth        52yrs   
ARNOLD William          24years
ARNOLD George          22yrs
ARNOLD Sarah            18yrs
ARNOLD Emma            14yrs
ARNOLD John              12yrs
 NP for all is Worcestershire

Can you please identify this family in the 1841 and 1851 census record .

[Dundee]

William ARNOLD arrived in 1845 to Van Diemens land onboard the Pestonjee Bomanjee, but his conduct record states that he is 18 years old.

His indent shows that he was aged 18, single, father William, mother Mary, native to Bermondsey.

Debra 

[Ruskie]

"Great Tasmania"  arr. 27 Jan 1857
ARNOLD Elizabeth        52yrs   
ARNOLD William          24years
ARNOLD George          22yrs
ARNOLD Sarah            18yrs
ARNOLD Emma            14yrs
ARNOLD John              12yrs
 NP for all is Worcestershire

Can you please identify this family in the 1841 and 1851 census record .

This family seem to be the ones in Cutsdean as mentioned in Fiona's opening post. Same children - ages fairly similar - all born Cutsdean, Worcs.

Cutsdean was in Worcestershire then from 1844 in Gloucestershire.

[majm]

"Great Tasmania"  arr. 27 Jan 1857
ARNOLD Elizabeth        52yrs   
ARNOLD William          24years
ARNOLD George          22yrs
ARNOLD Sarah            18yrs
ARNOLD Emma            14yrs
ARNOLD John              12yrs
 NP for all is Worcestershire

Can you please identify this family in the 1841 and 1851 census record .

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CB7-12-1-7
page 62 - 63
Baptist ... non conformist, and adult baptism, so do not anticipate finding baptisms for the children.

JM

[Ruskie]

If it is not yours, I presume you have seen the tree on Familysearch?

William born 1807
marries Elizabeth Poole - 24 oct 1829 Worcestershire
died 14 July 1893 Spring Bay Tasmania

Elizabeth b 1803 chr 3 July 1803 Cutsdean "Gloucestershire"
died 17 Feb 1870 Spring Bay Tasmania

Both sets of parents are named but no earlier generations.

Unless you know otherwise, have you considered that William may have been a free settler? He may have arrived before the family in order to set up home. I think Elizabeth being a "widow" in the 1851 census might be confusing the issue. Might this be an error?
Do you know who Jas Radcliffe is? Could he be William's employer?

Have you looked for other convict records such as ticket of leave?

[fionajka]

Ok to flesh it out a little....

Born 1807, Winchcomb, Gloucestershire to William and Hannah

1841 Census
Name:   Elizabeth Arnal
Age:   35
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1806
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish:   Bredon
Hundred:   Oswaldslow (Middle Division)
County/Island:   Worcestershire
Country:   England
Registration district:   Winchcomb
Sub-registration district:   Guiting

William Arnal   30
Elizabeth Arnal   35
William Arnal   9
George Arnal   7
Sarrah Arnal   2

1851 Census
Name:   Elizabeth Arnold
Age:   48
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1803
Relation:   Head
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Cutsdean, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish:   Cutsdean
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:   
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island:   Worcestershire
Country:   England
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Registration district:   Winchcomb
Sub-registration district:   Guyting

Elizabeth Arnold   48
William Arnold   18
George Arnold   16
Sarah Arnold   12
Emma Arnold   9
John Arnold   6

As to how I know William was a convict - in short, I don't. I am trying to verify what has been found by others. I have not been able to locate an immigration record for him, or a Pardon/Ticket of Leave for him either.

It is the 'Widow' label (no mistake on that one), on the 51 census that threw me onto thinking about him being away from the family unintentionally.

I'm also aware of "Cutsdean was in Worcestershire then from 1844 in Gloucestershire". Which naturally confuses things a tad. But since his son was born in 1845 I chose Gloucestershire to focus on.

I don't know who Jason Radcliffe is yet - he's another line of enquiry that I need to follow.

Like I said, I'm trying to verify info because I am yet to find the details of William's mode of arrival in Tasmania. I know he's with his family in 1841, Elizabeth is a 'Widow' in 1851, she and children migrate and meet up with him Tas, so I'm trying avenues on both sides of the world.

Thanks for your help though