Recorded twice in same house on census?

[Tickettyboo]

Opinions please!

1861 census Piece 3831/Folio 16/Page 34

3 The Swirle Newcastle
Patrick McGarrigill age 28

Appears to be recorded twice ? Once as Head of household and once as brother to the head of household.

The enumerator seems to have put an asterisk next to each of the relationship entries, but has included both entries in the total number of males on the sheet.

Though the McGarrigal/McGarrighal/McGargle/plus a zillion other spelling variations  family are difficult to keep track of I really can't see them having twin boys and calling them both Patrick?

Boo

[Gadget]

Interestingly th 'brother' is stated as being born in Newcastle, whereas the head is b. Sligo .

There is also an asterisk on the brother - can't find the ref to the asterisk so far.

Add - * also asterisk on head so maybe the enumerator has picked this up.

[Tickettyboo]

Thanks for looking Gadget, I think its going to end up as one of the many things that I just can't explain. The Hugh, down as another brother, born Sligo is definitely brother to the Head of household.

This family are a major contributor to my grey hair! Its been a few years since I looked at them and trying to unravel who was who is proving problematic.


Boo

[Gadget]

I notice that brother Hugh is probably  in the 1871 with mother in law listed as Bridget McGarigall ?

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Gadget

[Tickettyboo]

I notice that brother Hugh is probably  in the 1871 with mother in law listed as Bridget McGarigall ?

RG10/5104/7/8

Gadget

I think the enumerators had almost as much difficulty with these folk as I am having :-)
She was actually Bridget Reynolds, mother of Hugh's wife Elizabeth and Patrick's (the double entered man in 1861) wife Margaret. Bridget's maiden name was Byrne/Burn/Burns. I have her marriage record from the RC registers in Roscommon to George Reynolds who was named as the father on both girls' marriages. She is with Elizabeth in 1861 and listed as a widow
Further complication is that she is listed as Bridget Gilroy , Hugh's mother in law in 1881.
I have yet to fathom out when and where she may have married a Mr Gilroy, but as she is listed as a widow it would seem that he too predeceased her.

Her burial record from Gateshead East Cemetery shows her as Bridget Gilroy, widow of Henry Gilroy and her address was that of Hugh and his family.

 The good news is that I think I have finally sussed which children with a MMN of Reynolds and a surname that is a variation of McGarrighal belong to Hugh and Elizabeth and which belong to Patrick and Margaret - but its taken a while!

I'll get there eventually, though 'there' may yet turn out to be a padded room :-)

Boo

[Gadget]

Just been looking at the GRO index. Both Patrick's and Hugh's children have mmn as Reynolds (and variations).

Looks like you're having fun with this family (not)


Gadget
 

[Tickettyboo]

Well its certainly hard going, but I get enormous satisfaction from each tiny piece I manage to suss out and document. :-)

Boo