SHOULTS & PHONETIC EQUIVALENTS name in Scotland

[Philomel1910]

I can try and break my text up but when you and the others responding ask so many questions and I have such a mountain of material here, it is very difficult not to give full answers.

Perhaps I should say conclude it, apart from what I am posting on the Marnoch 1881 census below.

A friend posted result of his DNA test. It was ridiculous and I think the tests are a fraud and a way to make people part with money. I certainly will not take a DNA test. The results are as wide as a barn door.

[Philomel1910]

Seems the 1881 Census for Marnoch is all broken up into individuals, not viewable as a household, unlike the 1881 census for England and Wales. I will not pay for just one individual entry in a household that gives me all her family. I can see that household by doing search for the Fearnside name at Marnoch:-
John Fearnside. H. M. 48. By the way, I could not find a marriage for him in all Ireland, searching all the Civil registrations. I might find him in the Church registrations. So maybe Ireland is a red herring and an inaccuracy that I was given by one of the fellow researchers who passed on information to me.
Eliza Fearnside. Must be the wife of the preceding. 43.
Eliza Ann Fearnside. Must be daughter of preceding. 21
Caroline Jane Fearnside. Must be ditto. 17
Robert Fearnside. Must be son. 14
Stephen Fearnside. Must be ditto. 12
May Fearnside. Must be daughter. 10
Williamina Fearnside. Must be ditto. 8
Anna Fearnside. Must be ditto. 7
Helen Fearnside. Must be ditto. 5
Ida Fearnside. Must be ditto. 3
Martha Fearnside. Must be ditto. 1

I wouldn't be surprised if this family are Banff people, nothing to do with Ireland. I shall make checks at the Irish Civil and Church registrations web page.

[Rosinish]

I'm getting rather confused now...

“George Frederick Shoults married Jemima Bicknell Back
Their son, George Barrett Shoults married Mary Ann Greenhill
Their son, George Frederick Shoults married Caroline Jane Fearnside”

“I am sure that George Bicknell Shoults, who married Mary Ann is somebody else”

In that case both George Barrett & George Bicknell married women of the exact same names…Mary Ann Greenhill which seems rather a coincidence in itself given both men have the same forenames & both with the same very unusual surname.
Did both marry the same woman?

What docs. do you have with the middle name Barrett being used in full for George?

Have you found George Shoults husband of Caroline Jane in 1911 as she is definitely in Stirling, Scotland alone?

Annie

[Ruskie]

Many people have a lot of helpful matches with their DNA test results. It is a bit unfair to judge all DNA tests on the results of one person's test (there are several tests btw).

I just thought it might help you with your quest hence the suggestion.

Added: FYI, the reason people are asking questions is to try to understand more about your family in order to try to help you.

[Ruskie]

Seems the 1881 Census for Marnoch is all broken up into individuals, not viewable as a household, unlike the 1881 census for England and Wales. I will not pay for just one individual entry in a household that gives me all her family. I can see that household by doing search for the Fearnside name at Marnoch:-
John Fearnside. H. M. 48. By the way, I could not find a marriage for him in all Ireland, searching all the Civil registrations. I might find him in the Church registrations. So maybe Ireland is a red herring and an inaccuracy that I was given by one of the fellow researchers who passed on information to me.
Eliza Fearnside. Must be the wife of the preceding. 43.
Eliza Ann Fearnside. Must be daughter of preceding. 21
Caroline Jane Fearnside. Must be ditto. 17
Robert Fearnside. Must be son. 14
Stephen Fearnside. Must be ditto. 12
May Fearnside. Must be daughter. 10
Williamina Fearnside. Must be ditto. 8
Anna Fearnside. Must be ditto. 7
Helen Fearnside. Must be ditto. 5
Ida Fearnside. Must be ditto. 3
Martha Fearnside. Must be ditto. 1

I wouldn't be surprised if this family are Banff people, nothing to do with Ireland. I shall make checks at the Irish Civil and Church registrations web page.

At reply #6 Forfarian said that on the 1881 census Caroline Jane Fearnside was born in Ireland.

The following is from a transcription so may not be accurate:
John b Fintray Abdshire
Eliza b Longside Abdshire
Eliza Ann b Keithhall Absshire
Caroline Jane b Co Dublin Ireland
Robert b Old Deer
Stephen ditto
May ditto
Wilhemina ditto
Anna Ditto
Helen ditto
Ida age 3 b Aberchinder Banffshire grandaughter
Martha ditto pob but daughter

To clarify I would advise purchasing some Scotland's People credits and  view the census and clarify places of birth and relationships.

If John and Eliza are both Scottish born you might find their marriage in Scotland rather than Ireland. Locating and viewing the marriage certificate on SP would be worthwhile and provide you with their parent's names and take you back a generation.

[Ruskie]

I can't easily spot the family in 1871, but in 1861 they have some older children:

James Smith Fearnside b 1855 Old Deer
Benjamin b 1857 Peterhead
Isabella b 1861 Keithhall
plus a nephew David Pirie Fearnside b 1850 in London who might be worth chasing up.

One of these must be the parent of the granddaur Ida in the 1881 census. I suspect Martha may also be a grandaur too though she is down as daughter. You will need to buy credits to view the 1881 census to double check all of this.

Knowing that James Smith is probably their oldest child born in Old Deer, will give you a starting point to look for the marriage of John and Eliza. Scotlands People is the place to look for that.

Added: It appears that James Smith Fearnside is born in 1855. You are very lucky to have an 1855 birth - the Scottish certificates in 1855 contained additional information which are a goldmine for researchers. Highly recommend you purchase that one.

[Forfarian]

Seems the 1881 Census for Marnoch is all broken up into individuals, not viewable as a household, unlike the 1881 census for England and Wales. I will not pay for just one individual entry in a household that gives me all her family.

the 1881 census of Scotland is laid out exactly the same as the England/Wales one. As I have already told you, you can view the transcription of the 1881 census free of charge on the SP web site. And if you do pay to view the original of one individual's listing, you get the whole page to view, so you get all memebrs of the household listed on that page.

And viewing the birth certificate of one of the daughters who was born in Aberdeenshire will tell you the date and place of the parents' marriage.

[heywood]

I'm getting rather confused now...

“George Frederick Shoults married Jemima Bicknell Back
Their son, George Barrett Shoults married Mary Ann Greenhill
Their son, George Frederick Shoults married Caroline Jane Fearnside”

“I am sure that George Bicknell Shoults, who married Mary Ann is somebody else”

In that case both George Barrett & George Bicknell married women of the exact same names…Mary Ann Greenhill which seems rather a coincidence in itself given both men have the same forenames & both with the same very unusual surname.
Did both marry the same woman?

What docs. do you have with the middle name Barrett being used in full for George?

Have you found George Shoults husband of Caroline Jane in 1911 as she is definitely in Stirling, Scotland alone?

Annie

Annie,
I hope I am helping here 

George Barrett Shoults baptised June 6th 1841 - born 27th July 1837, St John, Horsleydown , Surrey. Parents are George Frederick and Jemima Bicknell.

There is a baptism in 1885 for Kezia Amelia with parents George Barrett Shoults and Mary Ann.

[Little Nell]

This is from the LDS transcription of the 1881 census:

South Street Marnoch, Banff

John FEARNSIDE   Head 48 Teacher of Music b Fintray, Aberdeen
Eliza FEARNSIDE    Wife 43 Wife Of Teacher Of Music b Longside, Aberdeen
Eliza Ann FEARNSIDE   Daur 21 Mothers Assistant    b Keithhall, Aberdeen
Caroline Jane FEARNSIDE Daur 17 Pupil Teacher   b Dublin, Ireland
Robert FEARNSIDE Son 14 scholar b Old Deer, Aberdeen
Stephen FEARNSIDE   son scholar   12 b Old Deer, Aberdeen
May FEARNSIDE   daur 10 scholar b Old Deer, Aberdeen
Williamina FEARNSIDE   dau    8 scholar b Old Deer, Aberdeen
Anna FEARNSIDE   dau     7 scholar    b Old Deer, Aberdeen
Helen FEARNSIDE    daur 5 b Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
Ida FEARNSIDE    granddaughter    3 b Aberchirder, Banff
Martha FEARNSIDE   daur    1 b Aberchirder, Banff, Scotland

Using the free search facility on FamilySearch, it would seem that mother Eliza's surname was Smith
Eliza Ann Smith Fearnside daughter of John & Eliza (nee Smith) Fearnside was b 3 Aug 1859 & baptised 28 Aug 1859 at St Mary's Episcopal church in Inverurie.

Ida's birth has an additional name Cheyne in the SP index (no credits spent).  She appears as an adopted daughter in the household of Alexander & Eliza Monro in 1891.  Checking the marriage index on a free search at SP Eliza was Eliza Fearnside so Ida is her daughter.  Martha still with John & Eliza in 1891 listed as daughter.

Again from a free search of SP. John Fearnside m Eliza Smith 8 August 1854 at Old Deer in Aberdeenshire.

Nell