SHOULTS & PHONETIC EQUIVALENTS name in Scotland

[Philomel1910]

Little Nell, Thank you very much for giving the full information on this Fearnside family. I greatly appreciate it.
Heywood. I've got George Barrett Shoults born at Webb Street, the son of George Frederick Shoults (1802-1853), a carpenter, and Jemima Bicknell Shoults nee Back (1807-1857). You confirm what I have, though on the printed sheet I don't have his baptism in St John Horsleydown. 1838 was the birth year in Bermondsey that I found for George Bicknell Shoults. Somebody else on that branch of the Shoults tree. I won't be able to find out until I get a free search day at "Ancestry". Money in very short supply.

1837, Southwark, is the birth year for George Barrett Shoults. Also, my fellow-researcher, sadly long passed away, was a great grandson of George Barrett Shoults. Don's grandather on that side was Robert Walter Shoults (B. 7 Nov 1865 Finchley, D. 22 Jan 1937, Hertford, England) Don would know the name of his great grandfather. He was a most assiduous researcher and got the certificates for a great many of those on the wider tree. He is the source for a lot of my information, though I did discover some important documents myself and of course I passed that on to him.
I really do prefer not to do electronic genealogy. I believe you can only really get quality information way back by visiting archives in person. It may work out less expensive that way, depending on how near the archive.
Forfarian, thanks for clarifying the census returns at Scotlands People. However, if I want to do any significant research, I should want to have a year subscription, not piecemeal payments for this and that. I am quite poor - my resources money-wise are very limited.
Thank you for the information on these Fearnsides, Ruskie which is greatly appreciated. Thanks also for confirming that Caroline Jane Fearnside in that 1881 census was born in Dublin, Ireland. As I mentioned, I had made a search of all the Civil registrations for all Ireland and there was nothing at all. Not even an entry for that surname. I tried Fernside and Fearnside. I will try some other spellings but am not hopeful of a result.

I cannot give this Shoults family any more of my attention this year as I have to complete a very big and very important project (nothing to do with my genealogy) but I much appreciate all your contributions. I probably won't post any more replies.

[Little Nell]

I think you have not fully understood how ScotlandsPeople works.

It is the official online repository of all Scottish old parish registers, statutory registrations, census, wills.  Even if you go to New Register House (where the archives are held), you will only be able to access the records in digital format.  Electronic genealogy can be very informative and provide clues on where to look.  I know it is no substitute for handling original documents, but in many archives these days, that doesn't happen.  You have to use the microfilm or digital format.

There is no annual subscription option available for ScotlandsPeople.  You buy as many or as few credits as you need.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/our-charges

I had made a search of all the Civil registrations for all Ireland and there was nothing at all. Not even an entry for that surname.

I have found a Jane Fearnside birth entry in 1864 and viewed the entry in the register (again free) and found this:

Jane Fearnside born 1 April 1864 St Patricks Hospital Dublin, father George Fearnside (teacher) of ?Leinster Road, mother Eliza Mary formerly Cumming.  However she married in Dublin in 1894.

George Fearnside died in 1880 aged 44.  He was a school proprietor.  His wife survived him.

Nell

[Forfarian]

Forfarian, thanks for clarifying the census returns at Scotlands People. However, if I want to do any significant research, I should want to have a year subscription, not piecemeal payments for this and that.

Much as we would all like there to be one, Scotland's People does not offer the option of a subscription, and I am willing to bet that if it did it would be well in excess of the few pounds it would cost you to look at those few certificates.

I would also like a subscription option for the GRO so that I could get English and Welsh certificates without shelling out £7 each - more than the cost of four certificates from SP.

I am happy to repeat that in my opinion the small number of people surnamed Schultz and variants including Schoults arrived in Scotland either from or via England in the 19th century, and that the surviving Scottish records will not shed any light on the origins of Shoults as a surname.

But if you do want to look into them, there is no alternative to using Scotland's People.

See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0 for a fuller explanation of this.

[Forfarian]

As I mentioned, I had made a search of all the Civil registrations for all Ireland and there was nothing at all. Not even an entry for that surname. I tried Fernside and Fearnside. I will try some other spellings but am not hopeful of a result.

That is not in the least surprising. Caroline Jane's age on 4 April 1881 was 17. Assuming that this is accurate, it means that she was born between 5 April 1863 and 4 April 1864. Civil registration did not start in Ireland until 1864. therefore there is a 75% probability that there is no birth certificate.

[Philomel1910]

Thank you very much Forfarian for reminding me about when the Civil registrations start in Ireland. I did try church records which of course go way back (certainly do for my other Irish family) and it returned no result at all for name or that person (Caroline Fearnside).
Thanks very much Little Nell for finding that Fearnside in Dublin. Could be related somehow to the same family.
Yes, the GRO charges for England and Wales are high - I seem to recall paying more than £7.00 for a copy of a marriage from them a few years ago now. I paid £7 for my grandfather's birth record from PRONI (Belfast) in 2000 and found the same at Ireland Genealogy page searching free in the past year. Made much progress with that family by free searching which at GRONI (Belfast) I was paying per view before I could even decide if the person might be related or not - a very expensive way to get nowhere! It's a nuisance that one cannot view full certificates listed in the BMDs for England and Wales and then order what turns out to be relevant. Otherwise, one is guessing much of the time.

I will return here after May when I hope to complete my grand project. But I am snarled up until then and I might over-run.

Thank you all for being so very helpful and digging out so much relevant material.

[heywood]

You write:

Heywood. I've got George Barrett Shoults born at Webb Street, the son of George Frederick Shoults (1802-1853), a carpenter, and Jemima Bicknell Shoults nee Back (1807-1857). You confirm what I have, though on the printed sheet I don't have his baptism in St John Horsleydown. 1838 was the birth year in Bermondsey that I found for George Bicknell Shoults. Somebody else on that branch of the Shoults tree. I won't be able to find out until I get a free search day at "Ancestry". Money in very short supply

There is no birth on these free sites -
Free BMD  https://www.freebmd.org.uk 
nor GRO https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

for any George Shoults 1838. Perhaps, someone thought That George B meant George Bicknell rather than Barrett. I think that has been suggested already.
The name Barrett probably came from the marriage of Peter Shoults and Sarah Barrett.
Best wishes with your project
Heywood

[Rosinish]

"George Barrett Shoults B.27 July 1837"

"1838 was the birth year in Bermondsey that I found for George Bicknell Shoults Somebody else on that branch of the Shoults tree"

Who were his parents (George Bicknell)?

"George Frederick Shoults married Jemima Bicknell Back
Their son, George Barrett Shoults married Mary Ann Greenhill
Their son, George Frederick Shoults (B.1861-D 1 April 1926) married Caroline Jane Fearnside at Marnoch, Banffshire, Scotland, in 1890.”

Does the marriage of George Barrett to Mary Ann give his middle name as Barrett or just the initial ‘B’ or does it omit both?

I'm not sure what's going on with the middle name of George Barrett/Bicknell Shoults regarding who was who & who married who as there's conflicting evidence from what has been given as fact by the OP without confirmation of the name of George on his marriage to Mary Ann or what name he gives on their children's births?

Marriage (NOT A TRANSCRIPTION)...

1890
George F (Frederick)? Shoults aged 28 (b c1862) to...
Caroline J (Jane)? Fearnside aged 26 (b c 1864)

Parents of George F = George Bicknell Shoults & Mary Ann (Greenhill)
Parents of Caroline J = John Fearnside & Eliza (Smith)

Annie

[Ruskie]

So nice of you to use your SP credits on purchasing this marriage certificate Annie. 

[Rosinish]

I can't easily spot the family in 1871, but in 1861 they have some older children:

James Smith Fearnside b 1855 Old Deer
Benjamin b 1857 Peterhead
Isabella b 1861 Keithhall
plus a nephew David Pirie Fearnside b 1850 in London who might be worth chasing up.

It appears that James Smith Fearnside is born in 1855. You are very lucky to have an 1855 birth - the Scottish certificates in 1855 contained additional information which are a goldmine for researchers. Highly recommend you purchase that one.

Those are leads I would definitely be following up...brilliant finds Ruskie!

This is a birth;

FEARNSIDE CAROLINE MARIA
BENJAMIN FEARNSIDE/ANNABELLA LOW FR801 (FR801)
28/01/1849
228/40 256 Old Deer

The names Benjamin & Caroline seem a good possible connection too!

Annie