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Illegible word on grave - can anybody help ?
« on: Sunday 28 April 19 17:50 BST (UK) »
Hello, can anybody please help with this word which is in a kind of Pugin-Style Gothic script ? The preceding word is, "Anne" and then after it states "of Richard Janion Nevill of Llangennech Park". It is in English but in a graveyard in Wales so there is a slight possibility that this one word is Welsh - albeit, unlikely. Anne was the wife of Richard and died after him so it could be 'widow' or 'relict' but it clearly isn't.
(1) Janions of Cheshire, Lancashire, Hawaii, Vancouver and Seattle.
(2) Gregorys of Tarporley, Cheshire.
(3) Pughs of 'The New Pale' near Frodsham and Delamere in Cheshire.
(4) Nevills of Llanelly, Llangennech and Felinfoel.
(5) Yaldens of Ovington/Lovington in Hampshire.

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Re: Illegible word on grave - can anybody help ?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 28 April 19 19:23 BST (UK) »
Actually I think it might be widow.

In the middle of the word there's clearly a 'd', which looks to have 'i' before and 'o' after. That leaves the characters at the beginning and end of the word, which are the same. It is a tricky script, though - are there any other examples of 'w' in the inscription?

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Re: Illegible word on grave - can anybody help ?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 28 April 19 19:32 BST (UK) »
Hi, and thank you for your swift comment. The whole text reads,"Sacred to the memory of Richard Janion Nevill of Llangennech, Born 20 Nov 1785 died 14 January 1856 + Anne ********* of Richard Janion Nevill Born 6 July 1781 Died 5 June 1863" So, sadly no 'w' at all. Saying which, I agree the first and last letters appear similar and the middle three look like 'ido'. I can't think of anything else, so I think you might have solved this. All other comments/suggestions welcome from other members.  And 'thank you' to 'arthurk'.
(1) Janions of Cheshire, Lancashire, Hawaii, Vancouver and Seattle.
(2) Gregorys of Tarporley, Cheshire.
(3) Pughs of 'The New Pale' near Frodsham and Delamere in Cheshire.
(4) Nevills of Llanelly, Llangennech and Felinfoel.
(5) Yaldens of Ovington/Lovington in Hampshire.

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Re: Illegible word on grave - can anybody help ?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 28 April 19 19:40 BST (UK) »
Prompted by 'arthurk', I just checked online for a Pugin script and found the attached. So, it is a 'w' and the word is 'widow'. I would never have taken that as a 'w' without the suggestion. So 'TVM'. Query closed.
(1) Janions of Cheshire, Lancashire, Hawaii, Vancouver and Seattle.
(2) Gregorys of Tarporley, Cheshire.
(3) Pughs of 'The New Pale' near Frodsham and Delamere in Cheshire.
(4) Nevills of Llanelly, Llangennech and Felinfoel.
(5) Yaldens of Ovington/Lovington in Hampshire.

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Re: Illegible word on grave - can anybody help ?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 April 19 17:57 BST (UK) »
I know the puzzle has now been solved, but I saw this nice example of the Gothic 'W' in a church window today.

'.....thou hast been faithful over a few things......' (scroll right for the all-important word)

If you saw the word 'few' in isolation it would perhaps take a little time to work out what it said  :-\
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Re: Illegible word on grave - can anybody help ?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 April 19 18:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you for that church window scroll - it provides confirmation of what was, after all, just a pdf of a font.  I'm sure many people over the years felt that Pugin was 'stretching' things a bit with that 'w'...
(1) Janions of Cheshire, Lancashire, Hawaii, Vancouver and Seattle.
(2) Gregorys of Tarporley, Cheshire.
(3) Pughs of 'The New Pale' near Frodsham and Delamere in Cheshire.
(4) Nevills of Llanelly, Llangennech and Felinfoel.
(5) Yaldens of Ovington/Lovington in Hampshire.

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Re: Illegible word on grave - can anybody help ?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 October 22 11:28 BST (UK) »
Just rotating the image from reply #4

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Re: Illegible word on grave - can anybody help ?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 October 22 14:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks Arthur - it was the right way round when I posted it. No idea what's happened in the meantime!
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Re: Illegible word on grave - can anybody help ?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 October 22 16:02 BST (UK) »
No problems  :)
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