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Hello Rootschat

Please help.

This started out as:

"Trying to find an address Wimpole House, Wharton Road, Hammersmith in 1883 – believe occupant was John P Fleming and that he may have been a private investigator, does the house or road still exist as been unable to find on a map".

So far have found:

Charles Booth Survey
https://booth.lse.ac.uk/map/17/-0.2176/51.5002/100/0?marker=523819.0,179422.0
Look up Bolingbroke Road, Wharton Road is close by on the map
Wharton Road is now Lakeside Road

1878 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
Professor Of Languages
Name:   Capt Charles Francis D’Arbois
Publication Year:   1878
Address:   Burlington House
Residence Place:   Middlesex, England
Occupation:   School

1883 IRISH TIMES
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001683/18831204/068/0002
Militia Military Competitive and Promotion Examinations (Army and Auxiliary Forces).—Lieutenant-Colonel L. Hay Shaw (late Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers) and Captain Ch. D’Arbois (late French Engineers) prepare for above. Officers are received at any time. Apply Wimpole House, Wharton Road. West Kensington Park, W. 28 sent up for Militia Military Competition. 19 successful. -{Advt]

1890 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
Name:   Francis Charles D’Arbois
Year:   1890
County or Borough:   Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency:   Hammersmith
Street address:   64 Wharton Road

1890 MORNING POST
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000174/18900426/003/0002
MILITIA COMPETITIVE EXAMINATION September 1890 A captain late of the engineers is prepared to coach privately candidates for the above, highest references, average marks obtained by last 13 pupils, topography, military law, fortification, tactics, Address F R E 11 Wharton Road

1892 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
Name:   Francis D’Arbois
Year:   1892
County or Borough:   Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency:   Hammersmith
Street address:   11 Wharton Road, no No.64 exists

1894 Death
Name:   Francis Charles D’arbois
Estimated birth year:   abt 1825
Registration Year:   1894
Registration Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death:   69
Registration district:   Kensington

1911 Census
James Donald Hay Shaw
Captain Royal Marine Artillery
Portsmouth

1939 National Register
Commandant Hospital For Officers, Brighton
James Donald Hay Shaw totally disabled ex-officer

Please do you know anything further on the above.

Have not been able to find anything about the elusive private detective, if he even is a private detective or if Wimpole House was a mansion or just a named residential house?

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Re: WIMPOLE HOUSE/WHARTON ROAD, HAMMERSMITH - Militia Military Competitive Exams
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 June 19 01:32 BST (UK) »
1881 Census
Are the two Captains at 11 Wharton Road or 64 Wharton Road

1891 Census
64 Wharton Road is uninhabited
11 Wharton Road Charles F W ‘Arbois, Army Tutor School
Wife Marin
Daughter Minnette
Servant Anne Oldfield

Could the two Captains be teaching espionage, spying, private detective work?

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Re: Militia Military Competitive Exams - Wimpole House/Wharton Road, Hammersmith
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 June 19 01:44 BST (UK) »
What is the relationship between John Fleming and Charles D’Arbois?

Which one of those people are you researching, or it is solely the location of:

Wimpole House
Wharton Road
Hammersmith

that you are looking for?

What documentation do you have which infers that John Fleming was a private investigator?

Two Captains”? Are you saying John Fleming was a Captain too?



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Re: Militia Military Competitive Exams - Wimpole House/Wharton Road, Hammersmith
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 June 19 02:08 BST (UK) »
What is the relationship between John Fleming and Charles D’Arbois?

Which one of those people are you researching, or it is solely the location of:

Wimpole House
Wharton Road
Hammersmith

that you are looking for?

What documentation do you have which infers that John Fleming was a private investigator?

Two Captains”? Are you saying John Fleming was a Captain too?

Thanks for your help.

Lieutenant-Colonel L. Hay Shaw (late Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers) sorry becomes Captain later
Captain Ch. D’Arbois (late French Engineers)
Relationship if any to John Fleming unknown, he may just have been renting a room
Have no documentary evidence about John Fleming living at Wimpole House in 1883, researching for a local history site just for the challenge and found yet more fascinating history, the more that is uncovered helps those researching in the future
The newspapers mention Wimpole House, Wharton Road, no house number so could be No.11 or No.64, no house name on 1891 census, trying to find No.11 or No.64 on 1881 census, why called Wimpole House?

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Re: Militia Military Competitive Exams - Wimpole House/Wharton Road, Hammersmith
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 June 19 05:50 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I missed the mention of James Shaw in the 1911 census and 1939 register. Also, apologies in advance if I have missed or misunderstood anything else ..... but ......

Can I clarify please? In your opening post you say John Fleming is at this address in 1883. You also say you have no documentary evidence he is living there in 1883, which is contradictory.

Where did you get this from? What leads you to believe he was a private investigator? This date and occupation must have come from somewhere.  :-\

If Wimpole House was some kind of army training institution there could be any number of men passing through at various times. Unless you have further information I don’t understand why you are proposing it has anything to do with espionage. Can you explain what leads you to suggest this?

Nice to try to help any future researchers, though maybe suggesting spying and espionage classes at Wimpole House might be misleading unless you have some documentation to back up the claims  :)

Added: I am currently on ipad so not so easy to research, but I will try to do some digging later if no one has come to your assistance in the mean time.

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Re: Militia Military Competitive Exams - Wimpole House/Wharton Road, Hammersmith
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 June 19 10:03 BST (UK) »
Hello thanks for your help.

Unfortunately no documentary evidence has been quoted, so have asked where
John P Fleming, living Wimpole House, Wharton House, private investigator
has come from?

If you're able to help please finding No.11 and No.64 Wharton Road on the 1881 census to see if John P Fleming is living there/his occupation or if being used by the military and if property is called Wimpole House that would be appreciated and time to close the case.

Found out so much just by looking up 'Wimpole House Wharton Road' on British Newspaper Archives then other research followed.

There are so many John Flemings/John P Flemings could be any one of them?

Best find from little evidence, 'great-grandfather (no name) lived next door to Bevans Inn on the green with his widowed aunt (last name given) - looked up Bevans Inn, no inn with that name, looked for Bevans family working in another named pub and found, with widowed aunt and niece living next door as family remembered - and with help the nephew/great-grandfather was found with widowed aunt still living by the pub in previous census.

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Re: Militia Military Competitive Exams - Wimpole House/Wharton Road, Hammersmith
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 June 19 11:04 BST (UK) »
Occupant of 11 Wharton Road in 1881 was Spanish civil engineer Louis de Bejar and family.
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Re: Militia Military Competitive Exams - Wimpole House/Wharton Road, Hammersmith
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 June 19 12:37 BST (UK) »
Occupant of 11 Wharton Road in 1881 was Spanish civil engineer Louis de Bejar and family.

Thank you, the rest of Wharton Road seems to have disappeared, any ideas how to find please for No.64 - looked either side of the image to see if even numbers were done after but no luck yet?

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Re: Militia Military Competitive Exams - Wimpole House/Wharton Road, Hammersmith
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 June 19 13:09 BST (UK) »
No I couldn't see 64 in the 1881 census either.
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