Gilmores - Robert Gilmore b abt1770 of inshaleen

[Ellerby]

Hi all,

new at posting here, but old hand at research and genetic genealogy.

Gilmores of County Derry have driven me crazy !

I manage many DNA kits and have the tests of 6 people aged 70-94 who are Gilmore descendants and I am trying to unravel it all. We are all at Ancestry, gedmatch, Myh and a couple at FTdna.

I have built a huge research tree detailing the trees of about 500 DNA matches and finding common ancestors etc. it has about 15000 records of all these trees and i use it to reference all the branches of gilmores. it is not entirely sourced nor proven - but more of a collection of data. Once the DNA link is proven I then re-research and source the data before it goes into my main tree. so....I know I have a lot of incorrect records in that research tree.

I am definitely related to the couple Robert Gilmore and Mary / Margaret /Martha  of Garvagh and I think Inshaleen. I have vast numbers of DNA matches with US Gilmores and they all also seem to originate from Gilmores from Inshaleen.  I also have researched and am very confident that my 4th great grandparents are Thomas Gilmore 1811-1897 and Margaret Gilmore b1807-1870 (yes a Gilmore and a Gilmore). Their daughter Margaret born around 1840 turned up in Australia in 1858 with basically no information. I have used DNA matches to research and build her life.

After a year of researching and collecting data and trees I am swamped. I am asking those Gilmore researchers out there if they have info about my couple. Unproven Ancestry trees have their birth years as 1770 to 1780 - but after researching here I wonder if my robert is the same Robert that is mentioned in a thread where he was b in 1772 and d in 1855 aged 83. That referenced his wife as Martha - and that could be possible because the Bann Valley records said the M? was indecipherable.

Any help will be appreciated as I am feeling demoralised by my Gilmores. And just  plain stuck.

Elle

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat   

..........of Garvagh and I think Inshaleen.
 

Just to make you aware of where the townland of Inshaleen is located in Errigal civil parish.

https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/coleraine/errigal/inshaleen/

KG

[htrass]

Hi Elle,

I'm sure these are the correct Gilmores/ Gilmours, that is, of Inshaleen. My great grandmother's uncle was John Orr Gilmour, born in NZ in 1875, presumably named after an uncle of the same name in Indiana (John Orr Gilmore), and his grandmother's maiden name Orr. Seems too much of a coincidence that the Visitation records from 1840 at the First Garvagh Presbyterian Church record this name.

The siblings I know of for certain are family who were in NZ are brothers Robert (my 2x ggf) and William, who travelled to Australia (probably in the 1850s) then set up the first butchery near Queenstown in NZ at the time of the 1863 gold rush. They then built a large flour mill. A newspaper record suggests Robert landed in Dunedin in 1858, though this can't be verified. The brothers' name changes from Gilmore to Gilmour in about the 1870s in newspaper and official records.

Their younger brother Adam Orr Gilmour followed them to NZ in about 1873. William retired to Sydney, and Adam followed after William's death in 1908, inheriting his large house at Penshurst. Robert died in 1909 in NZ. I have an extensive tree on Ancestry but am having real trouble confirming the other Gilmores/ Gilmours. Any help would also be appreciated too!

Hayden

[LindeL]

Hello to the Gilmore/ Gilmour descendants. Hope this is still a live topic. I have several Gilmour lines in my ancestry from around Garvagh, including from Inchaleen. I am on Ancestry, My Heritage and FTDNA. Hope to connect with some of you

[aghadowey]

I am definitely related to the couple Robert Gilmore and Mary / Margaret /Martha  of Garvagh and I think Inshaleen. I have vast numbers of DNA matches with US Gilmores and they all also seem to originate from Gilmores from Inshaleen.  I also have researched and am very confident that my 4th great grandparents are Thomas Gilmore 1811-1897 and Margaret Gilmore b1807-1870 (yes a Gilmore and a Gilmore). Their daughter Margaret born around 1840 turned up in Australia in 1858 with basically no information. I have used DNA matches to research and build her life.

After a year of researching and collecting data and trees I am swamped. I am asking those Gilmore researchers out there if they have info about my couple. Unproven Ancestry trees have their birth years as 1770 to 1780 - but after researching here I wonder if my robert is the same Robert that is mentioned in a thread where he was b in 1772 and d in 1855 aged 83. That referenced his wife as Martha - and that could be possible because the Bann Valley records said the M? was indecipherable.

Robert Gilmour of Garvagh married Martha Harper of Inchaleen. He died 1849 and she died 1857.

Robert Gilmore of Inchaleen married Ellen Orr- son John Orr Gilmore to Indiana, sons Robert, William Torrance & Adam Orr Gilmour to N.Z./Australia.

A newspaper record suggests Robert landed in Dunedin in 1858, though this can't be verified.

Robert Gilmour married Sarah Hunter.  20 Aug.1872 “City of Dunedin” departed Glasgow, Scotland, 12 days after marriage. Arrived 30 Dec.1872 Port Chalmers, Dunedin, Otago, N.Z.

[LindeL]

Hello Aghadowey thanks for the extra information. Any idea why there is a Torrance middle name? Was someone's mother a Torrens?

[aghadowey]

Hello Aghadowey thanks for the extra information. Any idea why there is a Torrance middle name? Was someone's mother a Torrens?

I don't know of any family connection at the moment but many of my files are not available at present.

[htrass]

Hi LindeL and Aghadowey, great to hear from you both.

LindeL, which is your Ancestry tree? Mine is the long-winded Gilmour-Hunter-Johnston-Chequer etc etc tree under my name Hayden Trass.

Aghadowey, my Robert Gilmour of Inshaleen probably travelled to Australia in the 1850s - I do know he had already been in NZ about 10 years when he returned to Ireland for a time in 1871 (NZ newspaper records are extensive and record his movements). William stayed behind and ran their flour mill. Robert married Sarah Hunter of Drumadreen (her mother appears to be of the Belraugh McPhersons) as you say, and she returned with him to NZ in 1872. Most of the Hunters followed within a few years. Though she died in 1925, I grew up knowing of Sarah as "Grandma Gilmour"- I have her heirlooms including a very old piece of Irish linen. Anyway, while I am confident of her siblings' identities and whereabouts, the Gilmore/ Gilmours are hard to track.

I know a fair amount about William Gilmour, Robert's brother (they were farmers, butchers and flour millers together till things appear to have soured) but I can't find proof of a middle name anywhere, and not one of Torrance, except on Ancestry trees.

I suspect a number of mix-ups on these trees. I see in the 1818 visitation the following list which you probably know about, LindeL:

Robt Gilmore
Mary his wife
Mary
Robert
Torrance
Jennet
Margt
John

Does anyone know how to see full original copies of these visitation records- surely they've been digitised? There seem to be missing pieces of info:

F040
Robt GILMORE
Names of family
John GILMORE
Mary McNEAL, old woman
F041
Robert GILMORE
John Orr GILMORE
Mary GILMORE
Robt GILMORE
Ellin Jane GILMORE
Wm ______GILMORE
Allen____GILMORE


Thanks all, hope to hear from from you again. I will keep digging... I am writing a book about the family so will persevere. 

Hayden, Wellington NZ

[aghadowey]

I know a fair amount about William Gilmour, Robert's brother (they were farmers, butchers and flour millers together till things appear to have soured) but I can't find proof of a middle name anywhere, and not one of Torrance, except on Ancestry trees.

My sources were a grandson of Adam Orr Gilmour in N.Z. who I corresponded with c1990 and then a cousin of his.

Does anyone know how to see full original copies of these visitation records- surely they've been digitised? There seem to be missing pieces of info:

I haven't heard of the old First Garvagh records being digitised (they are very difficult to read). It looks as though you are reading from Bann Valley transcriptions? they were poorly done & full of errors but the originals do have gaps. I transcribed them years ago for myself from the originals.

Sarah Hunter's mother was Sarah McPherson.

Robert Gilmour (married Ellen Orr) had the following children-
- John Orr Gilmour, Indiana
- Mary Gilmore m. McNeill & stayed here
- Robert Gilmour, N.Z., m. Sarah Hunter
- William Torrance? Gilmour, N.Z.
- Elizabeth Gilmore?
- Ellen Jane Gilmore, Philadelphia, m. King
- James Gilmore (haven't tried to trace him but an online tree has him married & in Invercargill)
- Archibald Henderson Gilmore, named after aunt's husband, stayed here
- Margaret Gilmore, stayed here
- Adam Orr Gilmour, N.Z.