Romany/Scottish Travellers in Ireland

[MonicaL]

If you have access to Ancestry, see there is a family tree on there for Georgina here www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/112868551/person/192306145558/facts

A marriage date of 9 Sep 1874 in Ayrshire is given. I can't see it. Maybe the date has come from their children's birth regs?

Monica

[alasdair_13]

Thank you SO much for this help - you’ve managed to break down a big part of this brick wall I was facing. This has already opened up a whole lot new information that I and a distant cousin are now putting together. It does seem to confirm that the ancestry is travellers too which is exciting. Thanks again.

If you have access to Ancestry, see there is a family tree on there for Georgina here www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/112868551/person/192306145558/facts

A marriage date of 9 Sep 1874 in Ayrshire is given. I can't see it. Maybe the date has come from their children's birth regs?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Alasdair, I am sure you have noted this...

With Mary Elizabeth showing as widowed by 1871 and following the birth of son James, Robert Docherty could not have been the father of your William who was born c.1874 from what you have. Finding Mary Elizabeth with the younger boys in 1881 census in Scotland or England would help. But, they are hiding 

Added: They are not with daughter Georgina and her new family in Hamilton. Georgina, husband Mark and children were lodgers in the Reid household. Ancestry have them as SKIRRA. If you check the RC database on SP, you will see at least 4 baptisms at St Mary's, Hamilton for their children.

Monica

[MonicaL]

...Note that Mary Elizabeth is showing there with the maiden name of Hudspith.

That note was from Georgina's death reg earlier. This looks like her birth:

DOUGHERTY, GEORGINA   Mother's maiden name HUDSPITH     
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in HEXHAM  Volume 10B  Page 208

How about this for son Robert's birth?

DOUGHERTY, ROBERT     Mother's maiden name HUDSPITH     
GRO Reference: 1861  M Quarter in ROTHBURY  Volume 10B  Page 329

A possible entry in 1891 in Carlisle, St Mary Within, Cumberland:

Robert Docherty 30 mason's lab b. Alnwick, Northumberland
Margaret Docherty 28 b. Carlisle Cumberland
Robert Docherty 1 month b. Carlisle Cumberland
Alice Collins 1 niece b. Scotland...this would be Alice Agnes's daughter b. 1889 in Kirkcudbright
William Docherty 17, boarder, cattle driver b. Scotland....is this your William I wonder?

Possible death for him:

Robert J Docherty
Age 52 (born c. 1861)
Carlisle Cumberland
4th Qrt 1913
Vol  10b/pg 369

1901 family entry in Carlisle www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSVJ-ZWX

Monica

[MonicaL]

From Robert's son William's birth reg:

DOUGHERTY, WILLIAM  JAMES      Mother's maiden name DAVIDSON     
GRO Reference: 1891  J Quarter in CARLISLE  Volume 10B  Page 534

This looks like Robert and Margaret's marriage:

Robert Docherty and Margaret Davidson
Carlisle 2nd Qrt 1885 Vol 10b/ pg 746a

Monica

[MonicaL]

Margaret Davidson looks to have died between the 1901 and 1911 censuses. 1911 below:

Robert Dockerty 49 widower bricklayer's lab b. Alnwick, Northumberland
William James Dockerty 20 general lab b. Carlisle
Jane Hobson Dockerty 18 b. Carlisle    

Address 5 Scott's Court Rickergate Carlisle

Also in 1911, son Robert, aged 15 and born in Carlisle, is likely showing in an Industrial School in Chorlton upon Medlock. Possibly this one www.childrenshomes.org.uk/ManchesterStJosephBoysIS/ (needs more work to confirm location).

Monica

[alasdair_13]

Thanks again for these insights, Monica. It’s really helped us unlock this side of the family after having hit a brick wall for so long.

Margaret Davidson looks to have died between the 1901 and 1911 censuses. 1911 below:

Robert Dockerty 49 widower bricklayer's lab b. Alnwick, Northumberland
William James Dockerty 20 general lab b. Carlisle
Jane Hobson Dockerty 18 b. Carlisle    

Address 5 Scott's Court Rickergate Carlisle

Also in 1911, son Robert, aged 15 and born in Carlisle, is likely showing in an Industrial School in Chorlton upon Medlock. Possibly this one www.childrenshomes.org.uk/ManchesterStJosephBoysIS/ (needs more work to confirm location).

Monica