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Naming Practices of Scotland
« on: Monday 02 March 20 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone remind me of the sequence of naming children  used in Scotland in the past.  I think it was first son is named after paternal grandfather.  What is the rest of this sequence please?

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Re: Naming Practices of Scotland
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 March 20 12:13 GMT (UK) »
Supposedly;

The pattern generally went as follows:

    The first son was named after the father's father.
    The second son after the mother's father.
    The third son after the father.
    The first daughter after the mother's mother.
    The second daughter after the father's mother.
    The third daughter after the mother.


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Re: Naming Practices of Scotland
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 March 20 13:47 GMT (UK) »
Oddly enough, on my father's side they seem to have followed the naming tradition above fairly consistently, however, my mother's family seem to have reversed the sequence in terms of mother and father. I have many instances on that side of first son named for mother's father, second son father's father, first daughter father's mother and second daughter mother's mother. It happens often enough it can't possibly be just an occasional missing first child.

In very large families, the tradition could also extend to father and mother's grandparents, siblings, etc

I would add one proviso, which is to add "surviving" child. I would personally say a much more definite indication of a child being named after a parent, grand parent or even great grand parent is when several children are given the same name after the elder ones die in infancy. (eg if a first son were named James after the father's father, and that James died after just 4 months say, the second son would often also be named James, not named after the mother's father.)

The tradition was sufficiently strong that where a family had several daughters and no sons, the third or fourth daughter would often be named for the male grandparents - hence Williamina, Georgina etc)
Howie (Riccarton Ayrshire)
McNeil/ McNeill (Argyll)
Main (Airdrie Lanarkshire)
Grant (Lanarkshire and Bo'ness)
More (Lanarkshire)
Ure (Polmont)
Colligan (Lanarkshire)
Drinnan (New Zealand)

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Re: Naming Practices of Scotland
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 March 20 15:44 GMT (UK) »
Regarding the 're-using' of a given name after an earlier born child with that name has sadly died -- this also happened in England.

I thought it was the parents believing that the first child would 'live on' in the next child with that name. I am honestly not sure if I have read that somewhere -- or just made it up!
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Re: Naming Practices of Scotland
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 March 20 23:12 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Penniness,  That is exactly what I wanted.  I appreciate your reply.

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Re: Naming Practices of Scotland
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 March 20 23:16 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Alburfera32,  I have many examples of a second child being named the same as a deceased sibling.  I must say that the naming practice makes it difficult to work out which which name you are tracing. eg.. two brothers both name their first son after a paternal father - both live in same area - often both have same occupation.
I was once told that one exception to the rule was when you wanted to be in good standing with the lair of the land and you named a child after him.  Don't know if this is a fact or urban myth.  Thanks for your help

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Re: Naming Practices of Scotland
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 March 20 23:38 GMT (UK) »
It can also be tricky if both the wife’s father and husband’s father had the same name .... (obviously similarly with mother or any of their parents).

First names generally came from a fairly small pool.  :) It could happen that a John and Mary both had parents called John and Anne, so I don’t know how John and Mary would go about using the Scottish naming pattern for their own children. It would be a challenge.  :)

As well as the link posted by Pennines, there are many others, :
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/namingse.htm

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Re: Naming Practices of Scotland
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 05:15 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Ruskie,  Very helpful.

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Re: Naming Practices of Scotland
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 10:14 GMT (UK) »
This always supposes that there hadn't been a family rift!!

I wonder what happened when a child was illegitimate and didn't have an 'official' father. (I am just putting a spoke in the wheel now - so just ignore me - but I have wondered about this before).
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