Hobson of Great Glen and London?

[Taylor94]

I cant find much about these arms and they only seem to appear on the Hobson pedigree in the Visitation of London 1633/1634.
According to Burkes Armory (Tenuous source) this is all that is listed other than the Visitation -

Hobson (co.Middlesex 1633) I assume just taken from the visitation pedigree.
'Ar. on a chev. az. betw. three torteaux three cinquefoils or, a chief vaire or and az.'
Crest - ' A lions head afrontee ar. charge with three torteaux'

William Hobson, Esq, of Great Glen, Leicestershire and London, gave the Pedigree in 1633/1634. He was apprenticed in 1606 to William Ensor of the Worshipful Company of Haberdashers. Listed as 'William, son of Robert Hobson, Yeoman, of Great Glen'
The Hobsons are listed as Freeholders in the Village of Great Glen in the mid to late 1500s.

I notice that there is another Hobson family in London who have a very similar, if not the same Coat of Arms.
Noted by Burkes Armory and the Visitation of Hampshire.
Hobson of Marylebone Park, London and Hampshire/Surrey.
'Ar. on a chev. az. betw. three torteaux as many cinqufoils of the first, a chief chequy or and of the second'
Crest - 'A griffin pass. per pale erm. and or, beaked, membered, and holding in the beak a key gold'

I note that the crests are different but the arms themselves appear to be very similar, could this mean that these 2 Hobson families are linked somehow or do they happen to just have a similar coat of arms and the same name? Cadet branches?

William Hobson, Esq, of Glen and London, states that his grandfather is a 'William Hobson of the North Country' but this seems incorrect as Williams grandfather, according to wills appears to be a Thomas Hobson, Yeoman, of Glen, who dies there in 1570 and is one of the principal freeholders holding 3 yardlands and then that Thomas is son of a Robert Hobson, Yeoman, of Glen, who dies there and leaves a will in 1550.

Information about Marylebone Park is - 'At the end of the 15th century Thomas Hobson bought up the greater part of the manor and in 1544 his son Thomas exchanged it with Henry VIII, who enclosed the northern part of the manor as a deer park, the distant origin of Regent's Park.'

I filled out the Hobson of Glen pedigree as I descend from William's eldest brother Thomas, who was a freeholder in Glen in 1630 and was in possession of the heir male entailed 3 yardlands his grandfather had in 1570.

[Taylor94]

The Hobson family of Marylebone Park are then shown in the Visitation of Sussex using the same if not similar crest to what the Hobson family of Glen list on their pedigree. They are not using the griffin but a Leopards face frontee whereas the Hobsons of Glen use a Lions face frontee.

[belgraveshed11]

Dear Fellow Researcher, Thank you for posting this - it is very interesting as I am descended from the Hobsons of Great Glen. With regard to the visitation of London is the bolder portion of the tree added by yourself? Asking as in my research I also have a William (son of Thomas H and Mary nee Davenport who doesn't seem to appear so I am wondering if I have gone wrong somewhere ). With regard to similar but different coats of arms - these only relate to an individual not a family. If passed on to next generation then the recipient would have to change some element of it to make it different. One thing about the Hobson is the multiple Thomas's, William's and Robert's etc which doesn't make research easy but at least there are a few wills etc out there. Regards Amanda

[Taylor94]

Hello,

Yes, I'm very familiar with how arms work. Although the arms listed by William in London insinuate a connection with the Hobsons of Hampshire and Middlesex although I cant see the connection. Not to mention that William seems to have not known who his grandfather actually was as his father Roberts father was Thomas Hobson, Yeoman, of Glen, who held entailed land and his father was Robert Hobson, Yeoman, of Glen who also held the entailed land so I'm not sure where William thought his grandfather was 'William Hobson of the North Country'.

How do you descend from the Hobsons? Yes, The bold is from me as the London pedigree was given by William whereas I descend from the eldest son Thomas who inherited the entailed land in Great Glen although I'm not sure why Thomas's line was not expanded upon in Nichols nor why the family did not enter into the Visitation of Leicester 1683.

Yes, Thomas who married Mary Davenport only had 3 children who lived into adulthood. Two sons Robert and Thomas and a daughter Catherine. Somebody on Ancestry as uploaded a tree but I fear they have not viewed the parish records and have lumped two Thomas's together and mixed them up. It took me a while to untangle them. It was Thomas Hobson the Elder, Gentleman, of Glen who married Mary Davenport in 1673. Thomas Hobson the Younger is his cousin who is also baptising at the same time.

[belgraveshed11]

Hi, Many thanks for your reply. Well I thought I was descended from Thomas H & Mary nee Davenport. Did this Thomas's cousin also marry a Mary? I had Thomas H & Mary nee Davenport having Robert in 1674, Thomas in 1677, Ann in 1681, William in 1682, Unnamed in 1687, Catherine 1690 and Richard in 1694 -1694 and unnamed in 1696-1696. This is now in doubt and I will have to doublecheck. I thought I was descended from Ann Hobson who was daug of Willm, who was son of Richard,who was son of Thomas(b1747), who was son of Thomas (b1712), who was son of William (b1682 & d1712?), who was son of Thomas (b1657), who was son of Robert (b1625).Have you read the book "A Leicestershire Yeoman: The Story of the Hobson Family of East Leicestershire"- I found it very interesting? Lastly have you looked into the story of the civil war gold found by Thomas (b1590) - have you found anything online about this you could point me towards please? Any tips gratefully received. Regards A.

[Taylor94]

Hello,

I haven't seen that book but If the author of the book is the same person (Which I think it is) who I contacted on ancestry, their tree is slightly wrong. He has confused Thomas Hobson the Elder and Younger and I don't think he has seen the pedigree of London 1634. I gave him much helpful information but I got no reply back, maybe because my research conflicts with what is in his book. EDIT *(I have just read it now on kindle, It does contain errors and a lot of assumptions which are not in records and as suspected it does mix up Thomas the Elder and Younger)

This is what I have, checked against wills and parish records.

Thomas Hobson the Elder, Gentleman, of Glen 1649-1719 = Mary Davenport 1651-1712, daughter of Richard Davenport.
They marry 1673 Great Glen - 'Thomas Hobson the Elder and Mary Davenport'.
Its important to remember that this Thomas is the ''Elder'' whereas the other Thomas baptising around the same time was the ''Younger'' they are not father and son but cousins or uncle and nephew.

They have these children -
Robert Hobson 1674 - 1736 Yeoman, marries in London to Mary Sillby not Spillsby 1701, Clandestine marriage. This is whom I descend from.
Thomas Hobson 1677-1750 Gentleman of Glen. Appears to die without issue, Estate is passed to sister Catherine via his will of 1749.
Ann Hobson 1681-? Not sure what happened to Ann. There is no burial for her as an infant.
Catherine Hobson 1687-1687
Catherine Hobson 1690-1756 Marries Robert Haymes/Hames, High Sheriff of Leicestershire. Executrix of her brother Thomas's estate in 1750.
Richard Hobson 1694-1694
Richard Hobson 1696-1696

These are the only children I find for them.
I don't see in the records the William Hobson born 1682 that you mention? Where did you get him from?

[belgraveshed11]

Thanks for the reply - Do you happen to know Thomas the younger's wife/childrens names (if he had any) please? I am going to have to go back on my research notes to see where I have gone wrong - so many folk with the same names! I can see mention of Thomas Senior on page 63/64 in the Hobson book with him described as a descendant of Robert's brother William -  will take this with a pinch of salt for now. I will check the possible connections and try and figure out where William came from. I did have plans to visit the records office but a pandemic intervened. Regards A

[Taylor94]

Thomas Hobson the Younger was married to an Elizabeth.

What is strange is that the book includes a picture of Thomas the Elders mural in Glen church which displays his age but the author completely disregards this and all wills pertaining to this Thomas. Not to mention the parish records clearly state (which you can view for yourself on FindMyPast) that it was Thomas the Elder/Senior who married Mary Davenport and who died in 1719 and their children are baptised with Thomas as Elder to differentiate them. Thomas the Elder was the son of Robert, he also baptised his first son called Robert. Carrying on the naming convention of Thomas and Robert in the heir line.

Thomas the Younger was likely the son or grandson of William, brother of Robert who died 1658. Both sons of Thomas Hobson of Glen 1597-1664 who aquires the bag of gold during the civil war.

The only record of William Hobson is a baptism in 1683 Earl Shilton, Leicestershire. Son of William. This is the one who likely goes to glen. He would be a descendant of Roberts brother William.

[Taylor94]

Thomas Hobson in his will of 1664 gives the main land in glen to his son Roberts son Thomas the Elder as he is the male heir. He then gives his land in Earl Shilton to son William.