Help with finding marriage record or bann

[Pennines]

Osprey -- you are probably correct about the Blackburn Moor, Yorks -- well found.

However I am now in a state of complete confusion with the different surnames and with the birthplace pf George Pygott (or variant!) -- and also with the other thread notified by Carole.

I think I will have to go back to the beginning and start again if I was to be of any further help.

[Ladyhawk]

We have been finding what appears to be children of George and Mary - but not all of them yet - certainly the ones on the 1911 census registered as Williamson with a middle name of Pygott - you would THINK belong to George and Mary.

Whichever child you are descended from - I would suggest you obtain a birth certificate to give you some concrete evidence.

Then we need to work carefully backwards on both families.

The number of children shown as born alive - and who have died by 1911 - we don't yet know whether it's between George and Mary -- or whether they may have combined their earlier separate families (although they shouldn't really have done that.)

Go back - census by census -- check the marriages of both parties if you can. Certificates would be good. I know they cost - but you should never assume in family history - as there is a danger of following a wrong line.

If this was my own research I would want to collect the children from every census for both potential couples - then check the GRO index as well to see who is missing - and try to find deaths.

We don't know for sure if the Mary Ann Harris/Thomas Williamson marriage is correct. Find a death for Thomas if possible. Does this then coincide with George and Mary being found together later?

More research needed yet.

I agree with obtaining a birth certificate

I had already pieced this together before looking at the link posted byCarole.....

I'm wondering if you are correct Pennines about combining number of children from 1911c ie.

those born to George PYKETT & Louisa nee STRAW
those born to Thomas WILLIAMSON & Mary Ann nee HARRIS
those born to George PIGGOT & Mary WILLIAMSON nee HARRIS

Marriage  George PIGOT to Louisa STRAW in 1871 - see reply 8

Marriage reg. Mary Ann HARRIS to Thomas WILLIAMSON in 1873 - see reply 7

Marriage of a George PIGOT to Mary Ann WILLIAMSON -  not found

Here are 13 births registered in Rotherham with mmn STRAW & HARRIS I have listed them in the year they were born - only found 3 deaths so far

WILLIAMSON, CHARLES   mmn HARRIS
1873  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 612   

PYKETT, JOHN  WILLIAM    mmn STRAW
1874  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 629
death John  Jun 1876 age 1

WILLIAMSON, FREDERICK   mmn HARRIS
1875  J Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 629   

WILLIAMSON, ROSE   mmn HARRIS
1876  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 656   
Death Jun 1888 rotherham Rose Williamson age 11

PYKETT, SARAH  ELIZABETH    mmn STRAW
1876  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 664

WILLIAMSON, ROBERT   HARRIS
1878  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 627
Death Robert died age 0 1879   

PYKETT MARTHA ANN mmn   STRAW
1879  M Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 644

WILLIAMSON, LILY   mmn HARRIS
1880  M Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 643
   
WILLIAMSON, JOHN   mmn HARRIS
1881  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 614
   
WILLIAMSON, GEORGE  PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1886  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 621   

WILLIAMSON, JOHN  WILLIAM PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1888  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 615
   
WILLIAMSON, FRED  PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1890  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 634
   
WILLIAMSON, ARTHUR  PYGOTT   mmnHARRIS
1893  J Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 705   

Looking at the Williamson births above Charles, Frederick, Rose & Lily
they are on 1881 census living 3 Top Engine, Greasborough, Yorkshire

1881 Piece:   4680 Folio:   81 Page Number:   10
Thomas Williamson   28 Thorne  coal miner
Mary Ann Williamson   27 Staffs West Brom
Charles Williamson   7 Yorkshire Brad?
Frederick Williamson   5    ditto Thornehill
Rose Williamson   4    ditto Bradgate
Lily Williamson   1.  Ditto  Greaseboro

1871c Not found Thomas
 
1861 census Piece:   3525 Folio:   46 Page Number:   26
Charles Williamson   34
Jane Williamson   37
Ann Williamson   12
Robert Williamson   10
Mary A Williamson   9
Thomas Williamson   8 Yorks Thorne
Emma Williamson   4
John Potter   Lodger 36

1851 Piece:   2349 Folio:   354 Page Number:   43
Charles Williamson   24
Jane Williamson   28
Ann Williamson   2
Robert Williamson   10 Mo

[Ladyhawk]

Lily WILLIAMSON born c 1880 (mmn Harris) is with her grandparents 1891

Piece:   3856 Folio:   59 page 17
Chas Williamson   64
Jane Williamson   67
Lily Williamson   granddau 10 Greasbro Yorks

[Pennines]

Ladyhawk -- you have worked SO hard on this and I so admire your perseverence with this complicated query.

I am currently resting my brain!!

[Ladyhawk]

Charchar1

Can I ask do you have a birth certificate or marriage certificates of any of the children born to George & Mary from 1911 census?

If so, can you give details please to make sure we are looking for the correct people and don't duplicate information already found 

Arthur Pygott Williamson age 19
Birth Greasbro, Yorkshire
Document Year:   1911
Regimental Number:   1409
Regiment Name:   York and Lancaster Regiment
Number of Images:   24
Form Title:   Territorial Force Attestation
spouse Laura

Next of kin
names below crossed out and wife Laura written above
Father George
Mother Mary
Brother George
Address 31 Eldon Road Eastwood Vale Rotherham

Charchar1
Is that the same address for the Arthur PYGOTT on 1911 census with parents George & Mary

APW married Mar 1914 Rotherham Laura GILBERT

Here are some deaths giving the date of births
   
Arthur Pygott Williamson age 79 born 22 Feb 1893
Sep 1972 Rotherham Volume:   2c Page:   1431

George Pygott Williamson  age 89 born 30 Aug 1886
Dec 1975 Rotherham Volume:   3 Page:   0930
GPW appears to have married a Florrie THOMPSON Jun 1909 Rotherham

[osprey]

parish marriage details for George
parish church of Northfield 25 April 1909
George Pygott Williamson 22 bach miner 31 Eldon Road Rotherham father George Pygott Williamson miner
Florrie Thompson 19 spinster 59 Neville St father George Thompson miner
witnesses George Thompson & Sarah Pearce

marriage for Frederick in St Stephen's, Eastwood 19 Dec 1911
Frederick Pygott Williamson 21 bach engine driver Eldon Road father's details blank
Mabel Seston 20 spinster Eldon Road father George Seston collier
witnesses Sarah Waterhouse & William Pygott Williamson

marriage for William in St Stephen's, Eastwood 2 June 1912
John William Pygott Williamson 23 bach labourer Eldon Road father's details blank
Sarah Waterhouse 21 Frederick Street father Charles Booth Waterhouse tripe dresser
witnesses Charles Edward Hopewell & Amelia Thompson Southwell

[Ladyhawk]

Well found osprey - same address as the Army record detail for Arthur Pygott Williamson 31 Eldon Road

parish marriage details for George

parish church of Northfield 25 April 1909
George Pygott Williamson 22 bach miner 31 Eldon Road Rotherham father George Pygott Williamson miner
Florrie Thompson 19 spinster 59 Neville St father George Thompson miner
witnesses George Thompson & Sarah Pearce

marriage for Frederick in St Stephen's, Eastwood 19 Dec 1911

Frederick Pygott Williamson 21 bach engine driver Eldon Road father's details blank
Mabel Seston 20 spinster Eldon Road father George Seston collier
witnesses Sarah Waterhouse & William Pygott Williamson

marriage for William in St Stephen's, Eastwood 2 June 1912

John William Pygott Williamson 23 bach labourer Eldon Road father's details blank
Sarah Waterhouse 21 Frederick Street father Charles Booth Waterhouse tripe dresser
witnesses Charles Edward Hopewell & Amelia Thompson Southwell

Their ages a close match to these birth registrations posted


WILLIAMSON, GEORGE  PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1886  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 621 

WILLIAMSON, FRED  PYGOTT   mmn HARRIS
1890  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 634

WILLIAMSON, JOHN  WILLIAM PYGOTT  mmn HARRIS
1888  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 615

[CaroleW]

From this post

Hi can anybody help me find a marriage record or marriage banns for george pygott and mary pygott they got married in 1871 acording to the 1911 census and they where from rotherham
Any help would be great thanks

From other post

Hi i am trying to find a baptism record for george pigott born 1850 his dads name was john pigott acording to his marriage certificate they where living in new market at the time. Any help would be great thanks

George pigott was married to louisa straw

We have been given very little information by the poster to work from and despite the great amount of info posted on both threads – we have been given no guidance as to whether we are on the right track

After 15 replies of extensive information on this post - this reply was received

So are we saying he had more than one family

I think we need to take a step back until more information is provided as follows:

What is her relationship to George?
Which of George’s children is she descended from?
What info has she found from earlier censuses following the 1871 marriage?

[osprey]

forgot Arthur!

22 Feb 1914 St Stephen's, Eastwood
Arthur Pygott Williamson 21 bach labourer Eldon Road father's details blank
Laura Gilbert 23 spinster parish of Rotherham father William Gilbert lamplighter
witnesses William Gilbert & Daisy May Gilbert

So 3 of the sons didn't cover up their illegitimacy on the marriage entries.

1911 census for George & Florrie with a Charles Williamson boarding
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWK5-SNH

Later that year, marriage for Charles in St Stephen's Eastwood 5 Oct 1911
Charles Williamson 39 bach miner Hatherly Road father Thomas Williamson miner
Caroline Butterworth 40 spinster Hatherly Road father William Henry Butterworth (dec) cloth fuller
witnesses George & Florrie Williamson