Looking for information on Charles Dickey of Millmount

[JonMay]

Greetings all

I'm a NZ'er living in Australia and have a connection to Hollybrook/Randalstown through a GGgrandfather, Adam James Dickey, who emigrated to NZ (via Australia) in 1853.

I've been researching the Hollybrook Dickeys, beginning with Adam Snr (d. 1806) and his children; James, Hugh, Adam Jnr and Mary. In newspaper finds from back in the day (attached) I see a Charles (or Chas) Dickey often mentioned in association with the above-mentioned James Dickey, seemingly as a business partner. Is he related to the Hollybrook Dickeys? The closest person I can find who might be the Charles mentioned in the newspaper articles, is Charles Dickey of Millmount (CoM) (1761 - 1827).

The Charles in the newspapers ...
* was a business partner to Adam Snr's son James.
* He and James were both executors for Adam Snr.
* was a member of the Linen Merchants of Antrim, along with Adams Snr & Jnr, and James Dickey.

Indications that the Charles in the newspapers is Charles of Millmount (CoM)...
* Dwelling, offices and garden at Millmount were put up for sale when James & Charles became bankrupt. CoM also born and lived in Millmount.
* CoM gave the middle name of 'Montgomery' to his first daughter Anne - the same as Adam Snr's wife's surname .
*James and CoM both subscribed to the same book keeping journal (as befits business partners?)

Is Charles of the newspapers and Charles of Millmount the same person?
Is CoM related by blood to the Hollybrook Dickeys?

Thank you for any leads and theories :-)

Edited: OOPS forgot to attach newspaper images.

[trystan]

You will not be permitted to attach the newspaper images as they would be subject to copyright.

[JonMay]

OK - understood :-)

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Hi JonMay
you have gleaned a lot of material so hoping I can add something slowly by trying to cast a different approach via local history first

The setting
Millmount is in the centre of Randalstown on the eastern bank side of the river Maine. Hollybrook is about a mile up the river meandering northwards. Six miles up the river, it passes through Galgorm which is roughly half way between Ahoghill and Ballymena .   I mention the latter places comes into the story. 
Hollybrook is in Drummaul parish check I am muddled
Ballybollen is a small townland NNW of Randalstown and the westside of Magheralane its spread between Drummaul parish and Ahoghill parish check
Magheralane is in Drummaul parish sits on the north side of Ballygrooby
Ballygrooby townland is the east side of Randalstown itself and contains Millmount
Millmount site needs investigating see changes between was on the bank side of magheralaneroad randalstown!st and nd editions a direct road from house to cotton factory opens up some servants qters or stables vanish as railway appears
for maps see also eg https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/drummaul/

maps available online
OSNI Historical 2nd ed 1864-1862 [see also the 1st ed 1832-184 see https://apps.spatialni.gov.uk/PRONIApplication/
or see the 1st edition 1st revision ~1860 in the maps used in griffiths valuation data
for townlands https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/drummaul/

1796 Flax growers of Ireland this is a negative result I think.
https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/antrim.php
Dickey                Robert John        Racavan              Antrim above Ballymena to the east
Dickey                Thomas               Loughguile         Antrim [north antrim

1800 curious fox website has DICKEY, LOCKETT, BARNETT, BAILLIE
I am researching these families in the Randalstown area circa 1800. Any information would be appreciated. I believe the Dickeys may have owned/operated a cotton mill. Hollybrook House in Randalstown I believe is where they lived. The families were associated with the East India Company also..

1816 C  Dickey of Millmount co antrim is listed in Vol 3 for for Sept  in the The Literary Panorama and National Register with editor C Taylor 1816 in double columns p10149-1050 titled commercial chronicle as a linen draper

1821James Black, Racavan, Co Antrim, letter to Brice Black his son at C/O Mr.
John Dick,brices uncle so Johns wife was Dickey or Dick.   Wheatfield townshipIndiana county, state ofPensylvania [Pennsylvania?]
America   the Northern Rout [Route?]saying he is thinking of emigrating 1822

1825 The New Monthly Magazine and Literary Journal, Part 3 Henry Colburn and Company, W   I Dickey Esq at Myrtlefields near Belfast has died.
1830 MARRIED.
At Belfast, on the 21st inst. by the Rev.Dr.Bruce, James Black of Charlestown, Esq., to Anne, daughter of the late Chas.[Charles?] Dickey, of Myrtle-field,is this his 2nd marriage?
Esq.
in 1830 in a list of subscribers in Lewis topography of Ireland are:-
Dickey, Adam Esq Hollybrook-cottage Randalstown Co Antrim
Dickey, John Esq Leighinmore Ballymena Co Antrim see braid tomstones
Dickey, Mrs  jane Dickey Myrtlefield Malone Belfast so the previous possible house of Charles her husbands death is noted in the  The New Monthly Magazine and Literary Journal, Part 3 Henry Colburn and Company, 1825 he is named as W   I Dickey Esq at Mytlefirels near Belfast
among others

1837-41 http://www.dippam.ac.uk/ied/records/42922 James Black, a proprietor of the Randalstown cotton mills in Co.Antrim, Northern Ireland, and merchant of Charleston, South Carolina, USA. he has been exporting cotton back to europe inc ireland
In his diary, dating from 1837, James talks about his life as a businessman in Charlestown, and gives a rare glimpse into the social life of an Ulsterman made good in America, in the 19th Century. The diary will be updated each week culminating in Mr Black`s journey back to Ulster, to find a retirement home. He likes Holywood Co Down he doesn’t get the offer he expected from Lord O’Neill for his randalstown cotton factory.the factory had been run by managers while hes in America but is failing.
1823-1847  Tithe Applotment Books
Ahoghill
Dickey, Mr. Townland: Galgorm Parks Year: 1825 which mr dickey?
Drummaul   
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/drummaul-parish.php
by townland
Dickey, Nathl. Townland: Ballybollen Year: 1834
Dickey, William Townland: Ballybollen Year: 1834
Dickey, Adam Townland: Magheralane Year: 1834
end of part

[BallyaltikilliganG]

continued
1862 Griffiths valuation for occupants and map of Ballybollen http://www.askaboutireland.ie/ by townland
in1862 map ref 3Aa,3B   Ann Dickey has a house valued at £2pa compared to others at5 shillings,11 acres in two plots map ref 3Aa,3B
in1862 map ref 8   Joseph Dickey has a house valued at £2pa and 20 acres,
in1862 map ref 9   William Dickey has a house valued at £2 10 shillings pa and 25 acres
Griffiths valuation for occupants and map of Magheralane Year http://www.askaboutireland.ie/
there are no Dickey listed
Griffiths continuation valuation books exist online at PRONIand the change of ownership can be traced
Griffiths valuation for occupants and map of Ahoghill has
Dickey, Andrew Todd L: Brocklamont
Dickey, Rep. John L: Brocklamont
Dickey, John L: Carniny
Dickey, John L: Tullaghgarley
Dickey, Nathaniel L: Glebe
Dickey, Samuel L: Ballybeg
Dickey, Samuel L: Carnearney
Dickey, William L: Ballyminstra
Dickey, William L: Ballymontenagh
Dickey, William L: Drumramer
Dicky, James L: Leymore
please react to see if i can supply more

[JonMay]

Hi Gracie (?)

Thank you for the extensive information. My wife and I actually visited Randalstown and Hollybrook House late last year; a memorable start to a driving tour around Ireland.

I am familiar with some of the info you've provided; James Black's diary which contains several mentions of the Hollybrook Dickeys and their mill, the remains of which I visited, and James Black's marriage to Charles (of Millmount) Dickey's daughter Anne *Montgomery Dickey. (It is that name of Montgomery which potentially links Charles of Millmount to the Hollybrook Dickeys via Jane Montgomery, Adam Snr's wife.)

Just to muddy the Dickey waters,there were many Dickey's around Ahoghill also descended from yet another Adam Dickey and involved in the linen trade. I've not found a link between the Ahoghill and Hollybrook Dickeys. The tradition of passing on Christian names to descendants does often raise the question of (eg) "Which Adam are we talking about?" :-D

The Dickey info I'd most be interested in is probably pre-1830 and related to any Charles Dickey or Adam Dickey of Hollybrook (died 1806).

Thanks and regards... Jon

PS the attached photo shows me at the Hollybrook mill beneath a plaque which reads "A Dickey 1775". My father's brother had also posed beneath this plaque having 'pilgrimaged' from NZ some 12 years earlier. When I arrived hoping to reprise my Uncle's photo, ivy had obscured the plaque and it took some searching before it was spotted and cleared.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Hi Jon, that’s a great personal photo to have. thank you for sharing. i noticed you took your cap off for him. I have a similar photo taken when i was unaware of a camera present, of a more recent rescued tombstone resting on a low wall and I put my arm around it, and held tight for a minute or two.  Some start to your irish hollday
He died around 250 years ago
you might be able to get further back  to 350 years ago 
eg 1669 Hearth Money Rolls see http://www.billmacafee.com
column titles are
Record No. Surname [Standardised] Surname as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Forename as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Barony Parish Townland [Modern Spelling] Townland as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls
4202   Dickey   Dickey   Ringan   Antrim Lower   Connor   Appletee   Speltea
4206   Dickey   Dickey   John   Antrim Lower   Connor   Tullynamullan   Tullymoly
5181   Dickey   Dickey   Adam   Antrim Lower   Racavan   Lisnamurrikin   Lisnemarrican
1737   Dickey   Dickey   Allex   Dunluce Lower   Ballyrashane   Ballywatt East & West   Ballywatt
1671   Dickey   Dickey   John   Dunluce Lower   Billy   Ballylough   Lower Ballylagh
1691   Dickey   Dickey   Wm   Dunluce Lower   Billy   Ballynarry Lower   Ballynerish
686   Dickey   Dicky   John   Dunluce Lower   Dunluce   Dunluce Town   Dunluce Towne
924   Dickey   Dickey   Hugh   Dunluce Upper   Ballymoney   Ballymoney Town   Ballymoney Towne
968   Dickey   Dickey   Janett   Dunluce Upper   Ballymoney   Ballymoney Town   Ballymoney Towne
1051   Dickey   Dickan   Robert   Dunluce Upper   Ballymoney   Ballymoney Town   Ballymoney Towne
1201   Dickey   Dicke   John   Dunluce Upper   Ballymoney   Garry   2 Qrs of Garry
1179   Dickey   Dicky   Robt   Dunluce Upper   Ballymoney   Leitrim   Legtrim
1351   Dickey   Dickey   William   Dunluce Upper   Ballymoney   Tullaghgore   Tullaghgorr
1544   Dickey   Dickey   John   Dunluce Upper   Kilraghts   Knockanavery   Knockniferne Qr
3495   Dickey   Dickey   John   Toome Lower   Ahoghill   Galgorm Estate   Ballyconnell wast Pt of Glanagherty
3714   Dickey   Dickey   Adam   Toome Lower   Kirkinriola   Ballymena Estate   Kinhelts Estate
3716   Dickey   Dickey   Adam Jun.   Toome Lower   Kirkinriola   Ballymena Estate   Kinhelts Estate
3715   Dickey   Dickey   Wm   Toome Lower   Kirkinriola   Ballymena Estate   Kinhelts Estate
so you might need another holiday
I’m Bally... G to some aka JimG..ey
 i live in england now, nearly emig to NZ in 1955 as i had found out North Ireland was called Ulster and South Island Munster in 1896? for about a year i think, by a new governor with ulster roots
good luck and life onwards

[JonMay]

Thanks for that Bally - I've yet to dig around in www.billmacafee.com

I'll just mention another link between Charles Dickey of Mill mount and the Hollybrook Dickeys;
Charles's daughter Clara left all her assets to Edward O'Rourke Dickey (which would be her cousin and grandson of Adam Dickey Snr). The plot thickens.

[aghadowey]

I'll just mention another link between Charles Dickey of Mill mount and the Hollybrook Dickeys;
Charles's daughter Clara left all her assets to Edward O'Rourke Dickey (which would be her cousin and grandson of Adam Dickey Snr). The plot thickens.

Just happened to notice this comment. Have you seen Clara's Will or are you going by extract in Will Book? If the latter then it's more likely that either he was granted probate of her estate (possibly she named him as an executor) or that she left no Will and he was appointed Administrator. If a Will he would have to carry out her instructions or if Administration (no Will or no valid Will) then he would have to sort out the estate according to law.