Simeon Brim (b1887) of Wrestlingworth. Marriage or death?

[janan]

Hi

Thanks for your updates.

Re your idea that Edgar and Simeon are brothers sharing the house in Queensbury Yorks, the 1931 electoral roll shows only Edgar and his wife Gladys in Queensbury, no Simeon.

Jan

[TadlowNewell]

Hello Jan,

I have this morning been putting together a 'definitive' (ha!) list of all the information I have on Simeon and Ann's children and I have to say that the evidence that Simeon and Edgar are one and the same person is beginning to become convincing. I have even found a Public Tree on Ancestry containing a person named "?Simeon/Edgar? Brim" so you are not the first to raise the possibility. See https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/81387267/person/44462955297/facts. I plan to message the owner and ask her if she has any info. I sense there is an interesting story here ... if we can get to the bottom of it. I'll keep digging.

[rosie99]

Have you missed this post 

Thank you for the update

When Allan Simeon Frank Brim Freeman married Hilda Bullard he named his father as Edgar Brim - Police Constable though this was struck through - presumably because he was illegitimate.

[TadlowNewell]

Debra, I did wonder if David had been born before the marriage and baptised when it was convenient

The 1939 Register gives David William Brim's birth date as 23 Oct 1873, a year after Simeon and Ann's marriage. That isn't 100% proof, but it suggests he was not illegitimate, though then there remains the issue why his Birth certificate is not found...

[rosie99]

Unfortunately dates of birth and other information on both census and the 1939 register are not reliable. 

On reply 13 Debra has listed the birth registration details of 9 children of Simeon & Ann which agrees in total with the 1911 census.  However as Debra mentioned the living/died figures were the wrong way round.  Also Debras list did not include a birth for David William which would have increased the total of children to 10.

Were any of their children baptised 

 

[TadlowNewell]

Can someone who has access to Wrestlingworth registers do a lookup for us for both Edgar and Simeon Brim.

We know from GRO Edgar was born Q4 1886 but I have no baptism details
In 1901 census Simeon was aged 4 which would give a birth in 1887 but I have no baptism details and Debra does not list 'Simeon' in her list from GRO birth records.

The fact we have 10 children but their mother Ann records only nine (5 alive, 4 dead) on the 1911 census is more evidence that Simeon and Edgar are probably the same person... 

Once I have any new Baptism/Birth data I shall post all the details i have of all 9/10 children.

[rosie99]

You have said that Simeon was the father of Allan S F B Freeman, what evidence do you have for that.

[TadlowNewell]

I am aware that several sources show that Edgar is father of S F B Freeman including posts in this thread. Once I have hopefully worked out whether Simeon and Edgar are the same person or not then I shall adjust/correct. Note my posts in this thread showing Simeon as his father do now include a caveat "or Edgar".
 I also need to try to investigate/clarify who his mother is and her relationship with Simeon/Edgar. It is likely to be week d before I  can do much more on this. It has turned out to be a lot bigger issue that I expected!

[janan]

We know from GRO Edgar was born Q4 1886 but I have no baptism details
In 1901 census Simeon was aged 4 which would give a birth in 1887 but I have no baptism details and Debra does not list 'Simeon' in her list from GRO birth records.

The fact we have 10 children but their mother Ann records only nine (5 alive, 4 dead) on the 1911 census is more evidence that Simeon and Edgar are probably the same person... 

Hi

The 1901 census was taken on 31 March 1901 so a child born Q4 of 1886 would still be 4yrs old. As Rosie said earlier there is no birth registration showing for a Simeon Brim with mother's maiden name Bland

Jan