Help finding a father’s name.

[BridgetM]

Hi Ladyhawk,
Thanks for that information. Years ago I searched Scotland’s People and never found a marriage for Andrew Flynn—no matter how I spelled the surname!
Do you know how I could get a copy of the marriage certificate?
Thanks again!
Bridget

[Ladyhawk]

Hi Ladyhawk,
Thanks for that information. Years ago I searched Scotland’s People and never found a marriage for Andrew Flynn—no matter how I spelled the surname!
Do you know how I could get a copy of the marriage certificate?
Thanks again!
Bridget

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[BridgetM]

I did a bit of research and realized that I’d already found the Andrew Flynn who married Sarah Carroll. He was a Tailor (Journeyman). Sarah died in 1871 in Calton.

[wivenhoe]

Where and when did your grandfather, Patrick FLYNN, born 23 August 1892, Liverpool, marry.

[BridgetM]

He married 22 July 1929 in Liverpool.

[wivenhoe]

Is this your family?

Census 1891 19 Haigh St Everton Lancashire
FLYNN Andrew    4*y                    earthenware dealer         b. Liverpool Lancashire
FLYNN Alice        27y                                                         b. Liverpool Lancashire
FLYNN Andrew     2y                                                          b. Bootle Lancashire
FLYNN Joseph      *m                                                         b. Liverpool Lancashire

Census 1901  3 Eves Terrace Everton Lancashire
FLYNN Andrew    57y  dealer in earthenware                       b. Liverpool Lancashire
FLYNN Alice A     37y                                                        b. Liverpool Lancashire
FLYNN Andrew    12y                                                        b. Bootle Lancashire
FLYNN Joseph     10y                                                        b. Liverpool Lancashire
FLYNN Patrick       8y                                                        b. Liverpool Lancashire
FLYNN John          4y                                                        b. Liverpool Lancashire


Is this your Andrew in a TAYLOR household - 

In 1911 Census at 15 Blessington Rd Everton
Andrew FLYNN, 22y  boarder  born Seaforth Lancashire
assistant mechanic drilling machine

In the household of Thomas TAYLOR 50y storekeeper born Liverpool Lancashire
Ellen   45y   born Manchester Lancashire
son Charles 18y   apprentice fitter     born Liverpool
dau Nellie  16y  apprentice gold nib grinding  born Liverpool 
Frederick DOBSON    18y office boy     born Birkenhead Cheshire

married 22 years  3 children born  three children living    no children deceased


Possibly this marriage.
FreeBDM       MarQ       1889       W.Derby  Vol8b page750
TAYLOR Thomas       Ellen COLLIER       
 

[BridgetM]

Hi wivenhoe,
I know it’s my family in all 3 censuses, but I’m not sure if or how Andrew Flynn is related to Thomas Taylor, though that’s something I’ll definitely start looking into. I think it’s time to renew my Ancestry subscription!
Thank you for pointing my in the right direction!
Bridget

[Ladyhawk]

Was he married to Sarah?

1881c
13, Rockbrook Street, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
Andrew   Flynn   Head   Married   1842   Earthenware Dealer   Liverpool, Lancashire
Sarah   Flynn   Wife   Married   1851   -   Scotland

Is this the death of his wife Sarah?

1884   Flynn   Sarah   age 34   Liverpool   8b   115

Do you think any of the children could have been named after her father?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
3, Gadsby Street Eves Terrace, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire
Andrew   Flynn   Head   Married   1844   Dealer In Earthenware Liverpool, Lancashire
Alice A   Flynn    Wife   Married   1864   -   Liverpool, Lancashire
Andrew   Flynn   Son   1889 Bootle, Lancashire
Joseph   Flynn   Son   1891 Liverpool, Lancashire
Patrick   Flynn   Son   1893   Liverpool, Lancashire
John   Flynn           Son   1897 Liverpool, Lancashire

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Haigh Street, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire
Andrew   Flynn   Head   Married   1844   Earthenware Dealer   Liverpool, Lancashire
Alice   Flynn   Wife   Married            1864 Liverpool, Lancashire
Andrew   Flynn   Son 1889   Bootle, Lancashire
Joseph   Flynn   Son 1891   Liverpool, Lancashire

If that is Andrew Flynn’s first wife Sarah’s death in 1884 and Andrew & Alice’s first child
Andrew was born 1889 - Would have thought their marriage should have been between 1884 - 1889 but like you not found anything   

[Ladyhawk]

My grandfather, Patrick Flynn, was born 23 August 1892 in Liverpool.
On his birth certificate his father is Andrew Flynn, his mother Alice Ann née Taylor.

I’ve been unable to find a marriage between Andrew and Alice Ann, though I’ve searched a number of sites, and even searched just using first names.

I’m beginning to think the couple never married.

Without a marriage, how can I find out Alice Ann’s father’s name?

According to the censuses (1891 and 1901) she was born about 1864 in Liverpool.

This is the only birth I can see on GRO indexes registered  Liverpool

Alice Ann TAYLOR   mmn RYDER 
1864  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 159

A few Taylor/Ryder marriage possibilities on Lancashire BMD between 1849 - 1864

as an example if she was named after her mother

TAYLOR   Thomas   RYDER   Alice   1856   Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church)

You would need her b/c to confirm parents names

Edited to add just in case it might be relevant for your Alice A Taylor

1871 c Cleveland Square, Liverpool, Lancashire
Thomas   Taylor   Head   1825   Manchester Lancashire occ Brush & Basket dealer
Alice   Taylor   Wife   1825   Manchester Lancashire
Thomas   Taylor   Son           1861 Liverpool Lancashire
Alice A   Taylor   Daughter   1865   Liverpool   Lancashire
John   Taylor           Son           1867   Liverpool   Lancashire
Sarah   Bracegirdle   wid. Sister-In-Law   1842 Manchester Lancashire
RG10 Piece 3776 Folio   35 Page   15

Thomas TAYLOR mmn RYDER
1860  S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 248

1881 c 42, Cleveland Square, Liverpool, Lancashire
Thomas TaylorHead   Married   1824   Basket Making Master Employing 1 Man
Alice   Taylor   Wife   Married   1824Manchester, Lancashire
Alice A   Taylor   Daughter   1864   Domestic Serv   Liverpool
John   Taylor   Son   Single   1868   Apprentice Clock & Watchmaker   Liverpool