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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 09 July 20 11:01 BST (UK) »
Joger , a big Thankyou.
Yes I have seen the Bel Memorial site,, my french is not that good, but found the button to give me it in english.  a very sad story.  our challenge is now to find the children of Charles Adam Simon.  or are we stuck.?
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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 09 July 20 13:18 BST (UK) »
Ask ( or your cousin can) for Isabelles's death full certificate at the address I gave or directly at the mairie of Cannes. If she married once or twice , it 'll be written . She may have had children.

I was not able to find the other children on geneanet, which does not mean that hey did not have descendants . But all we have found is Isabelle's death.

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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #11 on: Friday 10 July 20 13:21 BST (UK) »
Hi there This is the message from my cousin, who is hoping that that this will be read by french speakers.. also hoping that that the wonderful roots chat is world wide!!

Nous, descendants des SIMON de Penang, recherchons nos cousins nés SIMON

Charles Adam Simon épouse Léonie Adolphine Houdret, Belgique

Enfants: Marguerite Hortense Amélie Joséphine née à Forrest, Bruxelles le 7 avril 1909 .
Domicile: inconnu

Roger Louis Bertrand né à Forrest, Bruxelles le 9 novembre 1910. Domicilé à Paris

Isabelle Charlotte Berthe née à Namur, Belgique le 21 juin 1915. Domicilée à Cannes


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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #12 on: Friday 10 July 20 14:42 BST (UK) »
when was Roger Living in Paris ´ do you know in which arrondissement, what was he doing ,was he married , name of the wife , children, etc...?

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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #13 on: Friday 10 July 20 17:34 BST (UK) »
Archives Seine-Saint-Denis    -   Roger Bernard Louis Simon with mother and sister Isabelle in Montreuil, Seine-Saint-Denis, France
census Montreuil 1931  https://archives.seinesaintdenis.fr/ark:/naan/a011552558619ubVL2F/c23d13f8f8    image 229 van 634   

voters Montreuil 1933  https://en.geneanet.org/archives/registres/view/300730/28?idcollection=300730&legacy_script=%2Farchives%2Fregistres%2Fview%2Findex.php&page=28

voters register  Montreuil 1933 (3M63)   https://archives.seinesaintdenis.fr/ark:/naan/a011552559536A4cebD/91f79aed0a  (image 412)
                         Montreuil 1934 (3M64)  https://archives.seinesaintdenis.fr/ark:/naan/a011552559536xUIyOv/29e037eb5b   (image 426)

in 1935 Isabelle lives with her mother in rue d’Avron 144, Paris (20e arrondissement)
marriage  Isabelle Charlotte Bertha Josephine Simon  -  Raymond Leon Auguste Martin 
x 16 February 1935 Paris, 20e arrondissement  (divorced in 1948)  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pp3/ (image 12)

in 1936 mother Leonie Adolphine  Houdret still lives in the rue d’Avron, n° 144,  and a man Firmin Mengeot, he is also on the census of Montreuil (with his mother) but not in the same household.  census 1936 Paris     http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pp4/    (image 88)

death of Leonie Adolphine Houdret    + 11/01/1959 Paris, 20e arrondissement (died in hospital)  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pp5/  (image 12)

on Geneanet   burial register Thiais, Val-de-Marne, France :  buried 15 January 1959   -  Roger Simon is listed as the grave concession holder I suppose   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pp6/  (image 12)
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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #14 on: Friday 10 July 20 17:42 BST (UK) »
Oh my..... How wonderful.   I really didnt expect to have information.

You are amazing.  thank you so much for your help

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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #15 on: Friday 10 July 20 23:01 BST (UK) »
 quick Translation

Nous, descendants des SIMON de Penang, recherchons nos cousins nés SIMON

We are descendants of SIMON of Penang looking for descendants of  our  SIMON  cousins

Charles Adam Simon épouse Léonie Adolphine Houdret, Belgique

Epouse means wife

Enfants: Marguerite Hortense Amélie Joséphine née à Forrest, Bruxelles le 7 avril 1909 .
Domicile: inconnu


means residence unknown

Enfants  : children Avril : April domicile : birthplace
 inconnu unknown


Roger Louis Bertrand né à Forrest, Bruxelles le 9 novembre 1910. Domicilé à Paris

Isabelle Charlotte Berthe née à Namur, Belgique le 21 juin 1915. Domicilée à Cannes
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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 11 July 20 08:20 BST (UK) »
Leen: wonderful finds !

gloucestergirl : do you mean that you are searching the descendants born Simon ? Or do you search all the descendants of the couple Simon/Houdret ?

Marguerite had a child called Avril ? Do you know the family name?

I checked with matchid : Marguerite did not die in France from 1970 , if she died in France , she must have died before 1970.
Dito for Roger.

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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 11 July 20 14:49 BST (UK) »
Specifically looking for the three children of Adam Charles Simon and Leonie Adolphine Houdret ,
We know nothing of Margeuite  Hortense, only her birth.  and when her father was shot in 1915, she was called Maggie...
Roger seems to have become a mechanic, was with his mother early 1930's but then we dont have anything  concrete, unless perhaps he arranged his mothers burial in 1959, as his name in on the sheet.
Isabelle , we know she married Raymond Martin in 1935 and divorced in 48, at the time of her death in 1993 she was in Cannes, and had been a school teacher.  In the 1960's sometime she collected her father's British war medals.

I know Leonie  had a very hard time after her husband died, the authorities wouldnt accept her as British and issue passports to allow her and the children to come to the UK where she had family. (documents found on line National Archives. so to discover more about Leonie would be nice to know.  did she ever get to be "Comfortable"....

so to find either descendants,  or the end of the line ... would help complete the picture.
Thank you again
Gilly