Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson

[Andi R]

Well hello its good to be back after years away

Covid lockdown made me pick up the tree again, and doing well, however now looking for information on the maternal side of Thomas Rutherford (blacksmith Bonchester Bridge) his mother was a Bettie Beattie, and her mother also Betty was a Stevenson, no info on her father other than he must have been a Beattie,
My Thomas must have been born out of wedlock as he was originally baptised Beattie one year after his birth, and there seems to have been a court decision on the paternity of him.  however I know that
Bettie Stevensons father I am lead to believe was the local Laird

Anyone with information

[Forfarian]

Could you please include links to all previous threads about these families to save helpful Rootchatters wasting time duplicating what you already know.

[CaroleW]

Also - what timescale is involved.  No birthyears or birthplaces shown in your post.

If you have them on a census - please show details

[MonicaL]

Guessing you have seen this already? Have you been able to view the details on this?

Betty Beattie,
Bonchester Bridge End   
James Rutherford, Joiner, Bonchester Bridge End   
1832   1833   Jedburgh
www.oldscottish.com/sheriff-court-paternity-decrees-barr-brown.html

Monica

[Andi R]

Guessing you have seen this already? have you been able to view the details on this?

Betty Beattie,
Bonchester Bridge End   
James Rutherford, Joiner, Bonchester Bridge End   
1832   1833   Jedburgh
www.oldscottish.com/sheriff-court-paternity-decrees-barr-brown.html

Monica
 

I did thank you, I had seen this but lost it so thank you, as the subject of the case was my GGGrandfather Thomas Rutherford b1832, and it knocked down a wall as I could never find birth records of my GGGF nor of a marriage between Betty Beattie 1816/1901 and James, in fact James dies shortly after the 1841 census, other people on MyHeritage, Ancestry etc have Betty as a Stephenson but that was her mother also Bettie (it goes to show that always check information if possible from two or more sources) I found details of Betty taking a child Thomas to be baptised one year after he was born (putting her at just 16, James wasnt much older at 23).  Yet Thomas exists as a Rutherford on every census, after the paternity case. My problems now are Thomas's grandmother Betty, Betty Stevenson whose details are sparse other than she obviously married a Beattie.   reading Rulewater and its people it states that Betty's Stevenson's father was called John Stevenson and was the Laird of Kirkstyle

That document allows you to read a bit between the lines as well

Thank you and regards

[MonicaL]

Have you made sense of this 1841 census? www.scottishindexes.com/41transcript.aspx?houseid=79003053

Was Andrew Stevenson connected to Betty's mother? With Betty showing as 25-29 in 1841, hard to say.

Did Betty go on to have another child showing as 2 months old in 1841? She would not have been aged c. 16 when she had Thomas, more like c. 18-20?

Is this Betty in 1851:

Betty Beattie 37 Formerly House Serv b. Hobkirk
Infant 10 Momths son b. Hobkirk

Address: Greenriver, Hobkirk

John Gray also showing with Thomas in 1851, both down as newphews to Andrew Stevenson. Have you managed to follow through on Andrew Stevenson to establish his parents' names? What about Betty? Have you post 1855 certs that help you in confiming her parents' names?

I could only see one James Rutherford in 1841. A joiner, aged c. 60 with family. Did he have a son by the same name?

Monica

[MonicaL]

This could fit for Andrew www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQH4-992

A maybe for Betty, mother of Betty Beattie?

Betty STEVENSON
Parent JOHN STEVENSON
14/01/1770
Ref 790/10 62
Hobkirk

Have any of these OPR entries on Scotlands People been checked?

Monica

[Andi R]

This could fit for Andrew www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQH4-992

A maybe for Betty, mother of Betty Beattie?

Betty STEVENSON
Parent JOHN STEVENSON
14/01/1770
Ref 790/10 62
Hobkirk

Have any of these OPR entries on Scotlands People been checked?

Monica

Hi Monica,
I will lookat both these both look promising,

Cant understand if correct why missed these spent years trying to make sense of this, perhaps its "wood for trees"  Ive spent hours in edinburgh records office and all over looking for this

John Stevenson would be the mother Betty Beattie (1), think its the two Bettie Beaties, and the confusion when there is no marriage between James and Bettie (2)  also the great uncle John Stevenson.

I will look at these and really thank you for being that different pair of eyes

As long as I am still a Rutherford be devastated if not 

I will tell you how I get on

Thanks

Andi x

I think its taken a different pair of eyes

[Andi R]

Have you made sense of this 1841 census? www.scottishindexes.com/41transcript.aspx?houseid=79003053

Was Andrew Stevenson connected to Betty's mother? With Betty showing as 25-29 in 1841, hard to say.

Did Betty go on to have another child showing as 2 months old in 1841? She would not have been aged c. 16 when she had Thomas, more like c. 18-20?

Is this Betty in 1851:

Betty Beattie 37 Formerly House Serv b. Hobkirk
Infant 10 Momths son b. Hobkirk

Address: Greenriver, Hobkirk

John Gray also showing with Thomas in 1851, both down as newphews to Andrew Stevenson. Have you managed to follow through on Andrew Stevenson to establish his parents' names? What about Betty? Have you post 1855 certs that help you in confiming her parents' names?

I could only see one James Rutherford in 1841. A joiner, aged c. 60 with family. Did he have a son by the same name?

Monica

Monica
Yes, james was the son of james you found aged 60, the younger one born 14 Feb 1805 To Sep 11 1841 his father was James both are on same gravestone
Born 1777 married isabella Thomson all have graves in Hobkirk, we were at that time a family of joiners and blacksmiths

Andrew Stevenson was the great uncle of the younger Betty Bettie, thomas was born in 1832 29 Dec, And he was apprentice to Andrew Stevenson and took over the business,

Im getting through my wall I think

Andi