Ethel Quin

[IgorStrav]

Father's name?  Whose? Ethels dad?

I think that must be Glenister Senior.

Otherwise, in terms of clues to Ethel's early life, we do have the Salford address on the Land Army enlistment.

Carole hasn't been able to find a UK Ethel Quin birth, as she's said.

I have been wondering whether Ethel took the Quin name from a stepfather - so reviewing male Quin marriages over a lengthy period  to see if there is an Ethel birth to the bride's surname at the right date.  No success as yet, and of course if this thinking is right, Ethel's mother may not have married a Quin but merely lived with him.

And if she did take a stepfather's surname, why not name him on her marriages?

There are other scenarios, naturally.

But there are other places to look whilst we wait for the certificate for Geoffrey Baird's second marriage.

[Nookie]

Just to throw a spanner in the works. How do we know that the land army record is our Ethel Quin?

[IgorStrav]

She is shown as a 'Member of the Women's Land Army' in the Glenister marriage which is in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire.

Her address is shown as Fingest Hostel, Fingest, which is in Buckinghamshire, and the Land Army enlistment mentions 'Came to Bucks 11/6/45.

So it's a reasonable assumption, I suppose, given the comparative rarity of the name.

Was this Land Army record in the possession of Ethel's family, or downloaded from another source?

[derekjwatson25]

I will ask her where she got the land army card .
Surely to register a marriage in England you must have to present by our birth certificate? The marriage certificates show her address at the time of the marriage and the name of the father and occupation. On her 2nd marriage no fathers name is shown which makes me think she was a) illegitimate or b) illegally adopted c) a neice who was born out of wedlock and brought up by Quin ? I asked the daughter this morning and she has no definite knowledge or proof of the South Africa emigration only what she was told and wrote down.

[IgorStrav]

I don't suppose if her daughter knows if Ethel was Irish - by which I mean had an Irish accent?

[CaroleW]

That was a very quick divorce - do you have the right date?  First marriage was June qtr 1947 and divorce 1948? 

There is no documentary proof that Ethel went to SA - certainly not as Baird.  It will be interesting if the Baird divorce was in England as a third marriage can't be ruled out which may have resulted in emigration under another surname.

What are your views on the 1959 Ethel Quin marriage I found?

[derekjwatson25]

It’s all a bit of a mystery as the daughter says her mother’s name was definitely Ethel Quin which is quite unique spelling of that family name.
She visited the Salford address when she was trying to find her mums family and she spoke to a neighbour who said mr Quin was a teacher there. Unfortunately we dont have census records for this period. The daughter was born soon after the marriage date in 1947. I’ve tried various combinations of the first and last names and found a few possibles but not 100% direct link. Will keep searching tho.

[CaroleW]

Derek

Your reply #13 appears to say that no fathers name is shown on either marriage cert hence my comment at reply #15.

However - your reply #66 could be read that a fathers name was shown on the 1947 cert but not the 1952 one?

Can you clarify please?

EDIT

IGNORE - see reply below from Igor - my mistake 

[IgorStrav]

Derek

Your reply #13 appears to say that no fathers name is shown on either marriage cert hence my comment at reply #16.

However - your reply #66 could be read that a fathers name was shown on the 1947 cert but not the 1952 one?

Can you clarify please?

Carole #30 has images of the certificates.  The 1947 cert is a typewritten copy of the entry, and has the Glenister family details, but no father shown for Ethel Quin