McCabe Family ancestry

[Daltonator86]

My great-great-grandfather Patrick McCabe was born in 1832 in Carrickmacross, although he had moved to England by 1850 (probs coinciding with the famine). On 'Ancestry' I have been able to find who his father was; John McCabe, born in 1809 in Monaghan, but I have been able to find anything on his mother? 

[CaroleW]

Duplicate post here

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841653.msg7080127#msg7080127

[heywood]

I have suggested the other is closed perhaps?

Daltonator86, please could you give more details re your Ancestry find.

I can see one possible with a father John in Manchester in 1851 2226 /388/6

Is that him?

[Daltonator86]

Yes, that's him (concerning the 1851 Census)...
There is an Ann Bawl, who happens to John's mother, so Patrick's grandmother...
They seem to be living together in Manchester....

[heywood]

Where do you have him born in Carrickmacross?

What faith were they?

[Daltonator86]

That I am not sure, concerning his birthplace....
I can only guess they were Catholic even though Monaghan is in Ulster, although as far as my knowledge it was not as settled extensively by Scottish Presbyterians as the rest of what is now 'Northern Ireland'

[heywood]

Monaghan is in the province of Ulster but is in the Republic of Ireland.

If you do not have evidence of him born in Carrickmacross, where do you get Monaghan from?
Who did Patrick marry?

In the 1851 census, both John and Patrick are shown as ‘son’, that is to the head of the house Ann Bawl.

[Daltonator86]

I may have misunderstood slightly. He was born in Carrickmacross.....
Although they were living in Manchester, he moved south-east to Kent, probs around 1861 and married Sarah Hannah Tucker (b. 1839 in Ramsgate). Their son, my great-grandfather was Stephen McCabe (b. 1865 in Ramsgate).

[heywood]

I can see a family tree with quite a number of records.
Patrick’s military details are there with the birthplace. He enlisted in Liverpool, I think.
It shows the marriage of Patrick.
His father is John, a Coachman.

John in 1851 is a labourer.

Maybe that is not him in 1851 Manchester.