Can anyone help me with my gypsy ancestry?

[ellimarie]

Hi all, i'm new to the forum so I'll do as best as I can

My 2x maternal grandmother Phoebe Turner was born in Battersea in 1905 and was part of the Roma community. She lived in Donovan's Yard in 1911 when she was six with her Father Anthony Turner, born around 1872 in Notting Hill, her mother Phoebe Turner, born Phoebe Williams around 1878 in Hanworth Middlesex and died January 1913. 

I've hit a dead end when it comes to Anthony's line of ancestry. All I know is that he was born in Notting Hill, Middlesex around 1872 and died in March 1925 in Wandsworth, London.

I know that her maternal grandparents were Charles and Mary Ann. Mary Ann was Mary Ann Clark before she married and became a Williams.

Any help or leads are much appreciated. Please let me know if any other information is needed.

[ColC]

I note when Anthony age 22 a Hawker married Pheobe 18, in 1894 he was a widower.
I cannot see an earlier marriage or suitable birth for him.

Colin

[Michael J]

If it's any help, in 1901 their son Nelson Turner was with his uncle Thomas Dearlove .

England and Wales Census, 1901," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9HT-6QB : 20 May 2019), Nelson Turner in household of Thomas Dearlove, Battersea, London, England, United Kingdom

Michael.

P.S. Welcome to Rootschat.

[softly softly]

Thomas Arthur Dearlove(19) married Angelina Anoion(18) dq 1899 Wandsworth. His father George Henry Dearlove, her father Line? Anonion  occ Hawker. Witnesses James Henry & Eliza Agnes Bricknell.

John

[softly softly]

Also noticed that in 1901 census Angelina was also born in Notting Hill c 1881 as per Anthony in 1911 census, so could well be Anthony's sister. Will continue to search.

John

[Michael J]

Their marriage certificate should give the names of the fathers:
   
Name:                    Phoebe Williams
Event Type:           Marriage
Event Place:           Whitechapel, London, England
Registration District:   Whitechapel
County:                   London
Registration Quarter:   Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year:   1894
Volume:                   1C
Affiliate Line Number:   374
Possible Spouse:   Alice Mary Cann
Possible Spouse:   Thomas Gould
Possible Spouse:   Anthony Turner

[ColC]

Unfortunately the marriage record does not name Anthony's father, just a line through the space, I would guess that the GRO registration would be the same.  Pheobe's father is noted.

Colin

[ColC]

I wonder if this is the first marriage?

Anthony Turner married Mary Ann Janway 1891 Kensington

TURNER, WILLIAM  ANTHONY     JANWAY 
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 245

William Anthony Turner
Baptism Date:   2 Aug 1892
Baptism Place:   Islington St Stephen, Islington
Father:   Anthony Turner
Mother:   Mary Ann Turner

Name   Mary Ann Turner
Birth   about 1871
Death   Apr 1893 London, Islington


Colin

[softly softly]

Well found Colin, marriage 2.8.1891, Anthony recorded as aged 21 occ Hawker but no father recorded. Mary Ann Janway aged 21 father J*   William Janway occ Cab Driver.

John