Elizabeth Mackay - 1867-1931

[S13P]

Woah you guys dont mess around. I only went to sleep for a few hours. I will include all the information that I have.

So yes In the 1891 census
William Sutherland 52 farmer b. Sutherland, Laira (spl?...likely Lairg)
Helen Sutherland 49 wife b. Halkirk
Lizzie Mackay 23 domestic servant. A/try have her birth place as Sutherland, Strathpaladah 
William S Mackay 1 Grand Nephew b. Halkirk
Bell Gordon Mackay 2 months Grand Niece b. Halkirk

I do wonder if this was her relative, but I also wonder if maybe she had the first child william with the owner of this farm? Her second child was name Isabella Gordon, which is William Sutherlands mother. There is also a mistake on the ages of William and Helen because helen was 15 years older then William on their marriage certificate. She is Helen Dick before marriage.

In the 1901 census I have Elizabeth living in Halkirk on Sinclair  with the following people
Elizabeth   HEAD 38 Farm servant saying she was born in REAY.
William Sutherland 11
Isabella Gordon 10
John Mackay 7
Hugh Mackay 5
Catherine Green 3 
All children were born in Halkirk.

In 1911 Census in Thurso on High Street
Lizzie Mackay HEAD 41 born at Halkirk Parish
Bella Millier 20
Kate Mackay 12
James 6
Notta 4
Jennie 3
Williamina Millier Granddaughter 9 months

All her kids again born in Halkirk.

I do have connection to Isabella Gordons family, and they are stuck like me we cant seem to find anything for Elizabeth before 1891.

Any help would be appreciated I also included her death certificate and maybe you guys might be able to read the moms first name.

[MonicaL]

I don't see a cap letter J to compare but...could mother's first name be Jeanie?

The most common name variant of Jean is normally Jane, although there are others. See www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Jean.html

Monica

[MonicaL]

A possible birth?:

Jane Elizabeth Sutherland
Born 28 July 1868 Clyne Sutherland
Mother Jane Sutherland

This comes from the Family Search birth indexes. Original on SP.

Monica

[MonicaL]

There are also earlier birth index entries for children to a Robert Mackay and Jane Sutherland:

James 28 June 1862 (he died a month later)
Jamima 2 June 1863

These show in Clyne Sutherland.

ADDED: At least 8 children showing for this couple, but no Elizabeth. The other births were also at Lairg and Golspie.

1871 census entry for them at Lairg, Sutherland:

Robert Mackay 31 farm servant
Jane Mackay 38
John Mackay 10
Jemima Mackay 10
Alexander Mackay 6
Robert Mackay 4
Jessie Gregg Mackay 2

Address: Milnclarin, Lairg

No Elizabeth, daughter, showing for this family 

Monica

[Rosinish]

Monica,

I think it's quite possible the birth you posted could be correct...

Elizabeth Sutherland
Born 28 July 1868 Clyne Sutherland
Mother Jane Sutherland

From the info. on the DC, Robert & Jane don't appear to have been married i.e. if Robert wasn't present when registering the birth...?

Annie

[Forfarian]

I notice that Elizabeth's mother's surname is listed on that certificate as plain Sutherland, not as Mackay M S Sutherland, the implication being that Elizabeth was illegitimate. So her birth was probably registered as Sutherland rather than Mackay.

Edit: this post crossed with Annie's.

[Forfarian]

There are also earlier birth index entries for children to a Robert Mackay and Jane Sutherland:

James 28 June 1862 (he died a month later)
Jamima 2 June 1863

These show in Clyne Sutherland.

ADDED: At least 8 children showing for this couple, but no Elizabeth. The other births were also at Lairg and Golspie.

1871 census entry for them at Lairg, Sutherland:

Robert Mackay 31 farm servant
Jane Mackay 38
John Mackay 10
Jemima Mackay 10
Alexander Mackay 6
Robert Mackay 4
Jessie Gregg Mackay 2

Address: Milnclarin, Lairg

No Elizabeth, daughter, showing for this family 

Monica

Jessie Mackay, daughter of Robert Mackay, was born 20 March 1869, and her elder brother Robert on 28 March 1867, so there's not really room for Elizabeth in between, so it looks as if this is a different Robert Mackay and Jane Sutherland.

[MonicaL]

A possible entry for Elizabeth in 1871 showing as a niece in the household:

Hugh McDonald 54 Tenant b. Farr, Sutherland
Elizabeth McDonald 40 wife b. Lairg, Sutherland
Hugh I McDonald 8 b. Reay, Sutherland
Elizabeth McKay 4 niece b. Reay, Sutherland

Address: Achumore, Reay Caithness

Elizabeth Sutherland above married Hugh McDonald in 1852. So, with this possible entry and the 1891 census entry for niece Elizabeth with William Sutherland, also from Lairg....you would think that their sister (Jean/Jane) was mother to Elizabeth?

Maybe checking for parents for this Elizabeth Sutherland and the William Sutherland we had from 1891, it would let you check whether there is a Jane/Jean in the family?

Monica

[ev]

Lizzie Mackay 23 domestic servant. A/try have her birth place as Sutherland, Strathpaladah

1891 FreeCEN transcription has Strathhaladale.


ev