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Help please i have got too many Pilchers
« on: Thursday 29 April 21 22:41 BST (UK) »
I am struggling with Ada Alice Pilcher

PILCHER, ADA  ALICE      MMN DEAVERS     
GRO Reference: 1875  S Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH  Volume 07A  Page 92

i am not sure if i am on the Right track but i found an Ada Ellis pilcher baptised 08/08/1875 Donisthorp

father William pilcher
mother Amelia pilcher

i cant find the marriage and i am unsure of the parents

Ada married Albert bevis the son of Jos bevis and Ann Pilcher. my grandmother was her daughter Maggie Francis Bevis. i think Albert was married before to Rosina as his daughter rose has a different MMN and Ada would have only been 11.

I keep going down the wrong path and think i need a bit of help.

Any help much appreciated.

alex

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Re: Help please i have got too many Pilchers
« Reply #1 on: Friday 30 April 21 00:09 BST (UK) »
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father William pilcher

Her 1895 marriage cert shows father as William George Pilcher occ possibly Barman

Marriages June qtr 1885   
Deavers    Emma         Bethnal Green    1c   326      
PILCHER    William George         Bethnal Green    1c   326
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Re: Help please i have got too many Pilchers
« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 April 21 03:38 BST (UK) »

William George Pilcher occ possibly Barman


I think it is 'Baker'?

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Re: Help please i have got too many Pilchers
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 April 21 08:21 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this helps.
1891
William Pilcher 39 Baker born England
Amelia Pilcher 38 Wife. Born Cadiz, Spain. Naturalised British subject
Ada Pilcher. 15. Theatrical artist. Born Moira, Leics.
William Pilcher. 13. Theatrical artist. Born  Derbys
Living Camberwell, Southwark.
RG12  493/24  page 42

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Re: Help please i have got too many Pilchers
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 April 21 11:54 BST (UK) »
Family Search.
William George Pilcher. Born 1878. Baptised  3 February 1878. Ashby de la Zouch. Parents  William and Amelia.

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Re: Help please i have got too many Pilchers
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 April 21 12:24 BST (UK) »
The family appears as Pitcher in 1881

107, Well Street, Camberwell, London & Surrey
William G Pitcher Head Married Male 30 1851 Baker Woolwich, Kent
Amelia Pitcher Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Spain
Ada Pitcher Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Leicester, Leicestershire
William G Pitcher Son Single Male 3 1878 - Derbyshire
Alfred O Pitcher Son Single Male 0 1881 - Newington, Kent

Some different spellings
William George Pincher
Birth: Q4 1877 mmn Davers Ashby de la Zouch District

Albert Alfred Bevis married Rosina Edments (or Edwards) Q3 1885 in Mile End Old Town District

BEVIS, ROSE  ANN mmn EDWARDS 
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 446

BEVIS, LILIAN mmn EDWARDS 
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 459

BEVIS, ROSINA age 26 died 1892 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 501

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Re: Help please i have got too many Pilchers
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 May 21 09:14 BST (UK) »
thanks everyone this has cleard it up a bit more.

i think i have found william.

PILCHER, WILLIAM  GEORGE      SHEPHERD     
GRO Reference: 1851  S Quarter in GREENWICH  Volume 05  Page 286

my next problem is that i cant find the parents i cant find the marriage. ??? can anyone steer me in the right direction.

thanks alex

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Re: Help please i have got too many Pilchers
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 May 21 09:40 BST (UK) »
This looks likely the above person in 1861 Anc.... census

William G Pilcher, Son, 9 (1852) born Woolwich Kent

Names as written on census
Father   Thomas Pitcher, 51, baker
Mother   Charlotte Pitcher, 45
A number of Siblings..

Town:   Deptford, Kent
Registration District:   Greenwich

Household Schedule Number: 112, Piece: 394, Folio: 98, Page 27

Possible Parents married March Q 1840 - fits with first child born, Charlotte E, age 20 in 1861

PILCHER    Thomas        Newington    4   261    
SHEPPERD    Charlotte        Newington    4   261    

Edit: Marriage cert is online.

Parish Church, 27 Jan 1840, St Mary, Newington, Surrey.
Both of full age, both previously unmarried, he is a baker, address for both 7 Nelson St.
His father Thomas Pilcher a carman. Her father Charles Shepperd, deceased.
Both signed. Witnesses are hard to read, one is a ? Pilcher. The other is Elizabeth ?

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Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
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Re: Help please i have got too many Pilchers
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 May 21 10:13 BST (UK) »
Similar to the above:-

From the marriage certificate for William, his father was Thomas, deceased.

Thomas Pilcher married Charlotte Shepperd Q1 1840 in Newington District

This is the family in 1851
16, Warwrick Street, Woolwich, Greenwich
Thomas Pitcher Head Married Male 41 1810 Journeyman Baker Rotherfield, Sussex
Charlotte Pitcher Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Kent
Thomas Pitcher Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar -
Ann Pitcher Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Plumstead, Kent
Mary Pitcher Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Woolwich, Kent

I think William's wife died in 1892 and he then married Louisa Powell nee Rogers
Victoria Amelia Pilcher age 43 Q2 1893 Lambeth

Louisa Powell married William Thomas Pilcher Q2 1893 Islington District
Father was Herbert Deavers, Gentleman, on the marriage certificate.

1901 Census - 95, St Bernards Road, East Ham, West Ham,

The 1911 Census has the surname as Powell - 68 Lawrence Avenue Manor Park, East Ham
The children have mmn Rogers on the GRO

David

P.S. I forgot to mention that there is a tree on Ancestry with most of the information, including the certificate for William's marriage.