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Offline Maureen1956

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looking for adult ancestor in Liverpool who was blind and deaf
« on: Tuesday 29 June 21 21:20 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone
My paternal grandfather Percival Gregg lived in Liverpool in the early 1900's.  According to census records he was born in 1885, and I find him with family until 1901.  In these records there is no indication of him being blind.  In 1911 I find him with his wife, Catherine Gregg and it is here that I first discovered his vision issues.  I found in Brownlow Hill records that he had eye surgery there, and 2 children that had not survived long.  He was a hawker on the streets and moved around a lot.  He did still have some family in Liverpool. As far as his wife went, her maiden name was Jones. As you know there were many Jones families in Britain, so I have not been able to pinpoint her family.  She was admitted to Brownlow Hill as well, and admission records described her as being "weak in the mind."  She had a surviving daughter (Beatrice) born at Brownlow in 1913 and my father (John Major) born there in 1914.  Catherine was using Mary or Ellen as a middle name, and in John's baptismal records she identifies John as the father of the baby, instead of as the baby.  She appears to have been very confused.  She returned to Brownlow a few months later for surgery.  John was with her, but Beatrice was not.  The only record after 1914, that I can find on Percival  or Catherine was a newspaper advert posted in Wales about 1943.  Someone was searching for Percival, and they refer to Catherine Ellen Gregg (deceased) having disappeared about 1914.  I have not found death records for either of them.  Since Percival was blind and deaf, I was wondering if there were any type of institutions in Liverpool that he could have gone to live in, and if there would be sources of records for such a place.  As far as my father John and also probably Beatrice, they were placed in an orphanage in Liverpool at a very young age. I have asked for help with regards to this, but Covid is slowing that up. John was sent to Canada in 1939 with the Waifs and Strays Society, and lived out his life in Canada. I have possibly found Beatrice in Liverpool, in the late 1940's.
If anyone has any suggestions of where to search for Percival, I would appreciate the lead.

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Re: looking for adult ancestor in Liverpool who was blind and deaf
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 11:50 BST (UK) »
Hello & welcome
if you purchase the marriage cert. it will at least tell you
who Catherin's father was.
Marriages Mar 1908
GREGG Percival    Liverpool   8b/168
Just for clarification you say John was sent to Canada in 1939 which
would make him a 25 yo adult.
Could he be the John M Gregg sent there in 1930 aged 15?
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: looking for adult ancestor in Liverpool who was blind and deaf
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 12:05 BST (UK) »
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Someone was searching for Percival, and they refer to Catherine Ellen Gregg (deceased) having disappeared about 1914

I think it could be Percival who was last heard of in Liverpool circa 1913. 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1897/images/31031_A100074-00222?pId=240127
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Re: looking for adult ancestor in Liverpool who was blind and deaf
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 12:08 BST (UK) »
Looks like Catherine died in Abergele on 15 July 1943. That would explain the involvement of the Abergele solicitor who posted the advertisement.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1904/images/32858_633870_1444-00315
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Re: looking for adult ancestor in Liverpool who was blind and deaf
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 12:30 BST (UK) »
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and they refer to Catherine Ellen Gregg (deceased) having disappeared about 1914
The clipping says that it is Percival that had not been seen since 1913 not Catherine.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: looking for adult ancestor in Liverpool who was blind and deaf
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 16:28 BST (UK) »
Probate record for Catherine Ellen Jones who died 15th July 1943 in Abergele mentions administration to Olive M Gooderham ( wife of Amos Gooderham)
Possible marriage West Derby 1934
Amos Gooderham
Olive M Jones

Probably co incidence with the Jones surname.

Cathy
Sinnock/Sinnicks...Brighton,Greenwich.
Clements,Coles,Mc Donagh,Rock

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Re: looking for adult ancestor in Liverpool who was blind and deaf
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 21:43 BST (UK) »
Catherine can be found in Abergele in 1939 - on Ancestry she's mistranscribed as Cregg

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Re: looking for adult ancestor in Liverpool who was blind and deaf
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 22:07 BST (UK) »
I've found a candidate for Olive May Goodenham nee Jones b West Derby 1902, no mother's maiden name

Given Percival was worker as a boilermaker's assistant in 1901 I doubt he would have been totally blind, as described in 1911. My first thought is he was involved in an accident (industrial?) which resulted in his sight loss during those 10 years

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Re: looking for adult ancestor in Liverpool who was blind and deaf
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 22:16 BST (UK) »
There are all sorts of reasons for adult blindness- glaucoma, diabetes, detached retina, cataracts, tumour are just a few that come to mind although not all would have involved surgery in those days.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!