help please with marriage 1851 - 1858, Liverpool

[kit54]

Please can anyone help me?
I'm trying to find a marriage for a Michael Burn(s)/Byrne(s) to an Elizabeth (possibly Lloyd), sometime between the 1851 Census and about 1857/8 in Liverpool.
It was Michael's second marriage, his father was Henry Burn(s)/Byrne(s), Labourer.
Michael was born in Ireland, about 1812, and was a Catholic, but Elizabeth was born in Wrexham, so this marriage might not be in a Catholic church. The family are on the 1861 Census:
1861  Chisendale St., Liverpool
Michael  Burns     H    M   50   Coal Heaver                 I
Elizabeth  Burns   Wife     33                                        Wrexham
Henry  Burns         S         18   Joiner                            Liverpool
Richard  Burns      S         16   Labr                              Liverpool
Anne   Burns         D         11   Scholar                         Liverpool
Elizabeth  Burns    D          4    Scholar                         Liverpool
Mary  Burns          D          2                                       Liverpool
NB The first 3 children are from Michael's first marriage.
I'd be very grateful for any help,
Thanks,
Kit

[groom]

There is this marriage

Marriages Jun 1851   
Burns    Michael        Liverpool    20   324

One of the brides is an Elizabeth Magee. Might be worth following up in case it was her second marriage so she wouldn't appear as a Lloyd.

[CaroleW]

Who was his first wife & when did she die?

Have you checked freebmd for the youngest children's births then used GRO online to look for mmn?

Can't see an 1851 entry for Michael and eldest children??

[heatherjulie]

There is this marriage

Marriages Jun 1851   
Burns    Michael        Liverpool    20   324

One of the brides is an Elizabeth Magee. Might be worth following up in case it was her second marriage so she wouldn't appear as a Lloyd.

Michael Burns married Ann Fitzpatrick in 1851 so not your marriage. (from LancsBMD)

[amondg]

1851 they are at Walkers Court, Liverpool
Mcl BYRNE 36 dock lab. born Ireland
Ann 26    born Ireland
Henry 8 born Liverpool
Richard 5   born Liverpool
Ann 2 born Liverpool

[kit54]

Many thanks to you all for your kind replies.
Michael married first, Ann Dudley on 21/9/1841 in St Martins in the Fields.
The last definite thing I have on her is her 1851 Census record; so she must have died after 1851, but there are several possible deaths/burials, as the name is so common, with different spellings.
I'm trying to find his second marriage because that might help me narrow down when she died.
Michael and Elizabeth had, baptised at Our Lady of Reconciliation, (RC):
Elizabeth Byrns bap 14/6/1857 and Mary Burns bap 24/4/1861
AND for both, there is a Birth registered with the GRO, showing MMN: Lloyd
So, this narrows it down a bit.
I have spent ages trying to find this marriage, but have failed, which is why I posted!
Thanks,
Kit

[Ynotblueboy]

I believe that Mary Burns (baptised 1861) is my great grandmother. My great grandfather,Thomas Hobson, married Mary Burns in 1877 at St. Augustine’s church. According to the marriage certificate her father was Michael Burns. Have we been researching the same people?

[wivenhoe]

Is this your family?

Ancestry........Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms 1741-1919
https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/2180/

Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette    (birth/baptism date)

BYRNS Elizabeth  3/14 June 1857
parents:        Michael BYRNS / Elizabeth LOYD
godparents:   Arthur RYAN / Elizabeth PLACE

BYRNES Maria     24 Mar / 25 Apr 1861
parents:         Michaelis BYRNS / Elisabeth LOYD
godparents:    Maria Anna PHILIPS

BYRNES Helena    11/13/July 1965
parents:         Michaelis BYRNES / Elisabeth LLOYD
godparents:   Thomas SINOTT    *** SINOTT

St Augustines Liverpool   14 Jul 1877 marriage
HOBSON Thomas   Regent St   father  Joannis
BURNS Mariam      Porter St    father Michaelis
witnesses: Owen COYLE, Porter St / Margarita GARLAND, Porter St


HOBSON Thomas Henricus       28/31 Jul 1878
parents:          Thomas / Mariae BURNS
godparents:     Petrus COSGROVE / Maria BRADY 

[amondg]

Un named female child registered Liverpool 1851 mmn Dudley Vol 20 page 318. December Quarter.

It would be interesting to see the birth certificate.

I haven't found a baptism and not with the family in 1861 so there it's possible mother and child died shortly after wards